New York 196: My Game, My Flavor Mafia (Mafia Win)

[Titus]

Also has my predecessor mentioned I am a miller?

No.

[Titus]

First and foremost I have reason to believe Varsoon's absence was very much justified by RL events. I know for a fact he hasn't been available all over the site and I know why too (don't ask).

Varsoon strikes me as a player who is relying on both guts and emotions, which does explain his Dunn vote (no offense, but you ARE annoying to some, Dunn).

At this point I don't care whether Varsoon is a mason or not. The very fact that he called Titus' trick out and was very persistent makes him town in my eyes. There is absolutely no scum motivation in going out of your way to call someone on a fake claim like that. I only wish he could get over his overwhelming obsession with Dunn/Titus and start scum hunting elsewhere.

Just so you know when I faked claimed Masons the main people calling my claim fake where scum players. So your entire town case for Varsoon is incredibly meh in my eyes.

Varsoon has done no scumhunting and deliberately fake CCed for his ego.

Unforunately, people townread that. You should join me on Agar?

[Mirhawk]

Can someone tell me why AGar is scum?

[Boem_u_dusi]

Also has my predecessor mentioned I am a miller?

This is a good one

[podoboq]

Can someone tell me why AGar is scum?

Spoiler: my previous post on the matter

I don't understand the wagon on AGar.

I have other thoughts, that require Internet and my laptop, not my phone and also sobriety. But! The one scum game I have with Titus (that I haven't "conveniently" forgotten, contrary to how she'd like you to see it), she claimed a fucking ridiculously modified vig role to save solely herself, at the expense of handing over control of our scumkill to the fucking TOWN some nights, even though it could have literally confirmed two mafia at any given point. Lynch the "mason". More tomorrow after Bright House hooks up my shit.

Really, that game you're describing. You know what I did, I totally played little miss angel peacemaker while Wake and Sakura had pissy fights onto whether or not to leash or lynch the SK, riling them up while looking like an angel to avoid the conflict. That's what you conveniently left out of your posting.

Second, if you were actually paying attention that game, claiming a dayvig in no way gives town control over a nightkill.

Third, you'd have to be exceptionally dumb to seriously think I'd fakeclaim mason day 1 as scum.

First: You came into a slot with heat, with two partners who were content to bus and ride off that, and made an unnecessary claim that handicapped us. The elements of the town surrounding do nothing to change the fact that you acted strictly out of self-preservation instead of the benefit of the team.

Second: Really? Because we had to kill two people that the town decided for us, instead of actual strong players. You forget that fact so easily. You DIDN'T claim a dayvig, you claimed a night-vig with heavy restrictions. I will go remind you of what YOU fucking did since you want to forget that fact.

Third, no, I think YOU'RE exceptionally incompetent as scum.

I wouldn't fake claim, no worries






Zach don't respond to this

Hahahahahahahahaha HOLY FUCK.

VOTE: Wake for pushing Titus after the role claim.

Titus you're both experienced and have claimed a PR, from here whenever you vote I'm hitching myself to your wagon, unless I get better info myself.

This can't be this easy can it?

Lamist is "Look at me I'm so town."

See what I mean, imp. You don't know NAI yet you know LAMIST. There's something fishy about you . I'm not exactly sure what it is but I'm going to place you in my FoS pile.

Holy fuckballs STOP for FUCKS SAKE. NOT KNOWING ABBREVIATIONS DOESN'T MEAN A FUCKING THING FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST.

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Summary: Performer should die. Between the "I don't want to interact with certain, unnamed people!" and legitimately voting a player for not knowing what NAI meant (I had no idea either), I'm fine with his death. Titus has done nothing to garner anything other than a "kill it with fire" read. Dunn's posting has been fairly mediocre, just makes me want to beat my head against a wall. Only loosely linked. Implosion is town. Wrong, but town. Shannon is scum. Wake is fine, but so help me god if we have a repeat of Gundam I will smite you so fucking hard. Boem is a scummy mcscummerson and deserves rope. Transcend is the weakest of scumreads. Guys I'm on fire right now.

Peregrine, plz don't do this to me bro. Come baaaaaaack. PSA: He does this in like every game regardless of alignment. A D1 wagon on a lurker is useless as shit, as well, so let's not be silly.

A Titus wagon would be smashing. Let's get that rolling again. Let's not forget that the claim was unprompted. Let's not forget that she isn't actually scumhunting and is instead just harping about "But look at how

towny

I am." or "YOU KNOW MY META" (I do, but meta is shit and so are you as scum!). Half-assed deflections of the accusations like "AGar recycled his points!" (Protip: I didn't, but if I did, fucking show me where and I'll show you the gallows). Literally just total 100% bullshit and awful posting.

If not that, let's lynch the fuck out of Shannon. Because that is also super-duper scum.

I mean me and Titus did, zach and varsoon was literally the most obvious fake mason ever

Well Titus is absolutely stupid there for claiming regardless of the reason.
Not sure how I feel on this, would Titus be so bold as scum here? However, I'm seeing it more as role hunting rather than saving.
Why would Titus put the chance in someone without knowing their role. And the only way she can know Dunn's role is either as Mason or scum (which she has confirm that she isn't Mason).

UNVOTE: Whoever I'm voting
VOTE: Titus

Fuck it. I haven't been impressed by Vedith and you fucks are going to let Titus off the hook.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Vedith

Seems to me that AGar should be supporting one of the two players other than him who also think that Titus is full of shit, but instead, he says "I haven't been impressed" and just votes there. It's scummy.

His vote on Vedith is inconsistent with his scumread on Titus.

[beeboy]

VOTE: Agar

The Mason claim makes me want to believe Titus is town. When I claimed Mason's in a game recently with her and Dunn it didn't exactly go that well so doing it as scum to get some sort of town cred just seems odd to me.
I will slowly develop more reads.

[Boem_u_dusi]

ISOing Performer (88 posts):

Since I'm only explaining my reads here I need not go through anything beyond his opening post.

"Vote No Lynch" is enough for me to get a town read on him.

Contrary to popular belief, only TOWN would suggest a No Lynch so openly and that early. Scum know this move will put them at the very center of everyone's suspects list. Personally, I wouldn't dare suggest it if I was scum (and I wouldn't dare fake claim on D1 either). I know YMMD and all, but that's how I classify Performer until further notice. Nothing in his ISO makes me think otherwise either.

Mirhawk (88 posts):

By implication, his early duel with Sick over Performer's NL suggestion makes him a slight town lean. However, most of his posts are one liners and uninformative.

I did like him asking about LAMIST, bc I didn't know what that was, but assumed it was a misspelled derivation of "lame"

I also like his stance on the mason claims.

Conclusion: Upon reread I'm relegating him from Town to Town-Lean.

There's nothing scummy in his ISO, but there's nothing strongly indicative of him being town either.

N.B. Shannon is now conf!town to me. The role claim was uncalled for, but it was also out of the blue (i.e. there was not much pressure on her).

I wouldn't be lynching here bc -although uninformed- that's a vote that can help us.

Scum are informed and will know where to vote

9and it certainly isn't in town's favour),

while town -no matter how uninformed- are more likely to hit on scum sooner or later

, besides.. if scum want to shoot her she's doing exactly what a VT should be doing, i.e. eating a bullet for the town PRs.

Everyone else has posted over 100 posts, and I'm not about to ISO them anytime soon.

I'll wait and see how the day (and night) go before I start doing that.

Also, welcome beeboy.

Huh? What the fuck did I just read? This is among 5 worst posts in the game.

[Boem_u_dusi]

Almost50, how come shannon is now confirmed town to you? What if I claimed something here out of the blue, would that make me confirmed town also? Tell me so I do that.

[Mirhawk]

I don't see the vote switch as scummy, but the who he picked is kinda weird seeing as how he decided to blatantly sheep some other people (including Titus) instead of one of his secondary reads. Given how pissed off at the rest of the town he sounds I wouldn't have expected that.

I find everything before what you quoted pretty genuine.

[podoboq]

I don't see the vote switch as scummy, but the who he picked is kinda weird seeing as how he decided to blatantly sheep some other people (including Titus) instead of one of his secondary reads. Given how pissed off at the rest of the town he sounds I wouldn't have expected that.

I find everything before what you quoted pretty genuine.

I did as well. He was a townread until his absolutely mindless vote on Vedith. To be clear, Vedith isn't necessarily a townread of mine, but me voting there without any explanation would be obvscum.

[Mirhawk]

Yeah I'm not going to vote him.

The points he makes on Titus are pretty legit. I think they're wrong, but I also believe he thinks they're right.

I'm thinking maybe he figured screw this shit I'll just sheep. I don't think he's liable to be sloppy enough as scum to just jump on a bandwagon that doesn't coincide with his reads.

[Mirhawk]

Reads like frustration to me.

[Mirhawk]

I've got to got to go.

[Dunnstral]

@Shannon, When you keep voting town for being anti-town rather than finding scum, you give scum an excuse to do that too, creating a self fulfilling prophecy.

Right now, there's two decent cases. One, Agar's move was terribly scummy and logically inconsistent. Second, Mirhawk "slipped" that masons should have daytalk, likely because he did. Even if you feel overwhelmed to where you cannot give reads, you can at least look those over.

This mason thing is a huge deal because you let it be.

I don't know if I've ever seen masons without daytalk.

also you're making a mess of what I did. I saw a comment from you that made me think you had daytalk after the mason claim which reinforced the claim in my eyes. How is this a slip?

It wasn't announced that day talk was in this game (which would include both mafia and masons) until way after you said that

[Dunnstral]

Also has my predecessor mentioned I am a miller?

[podoboq]

Also has my predecessor mentioned I am a miller?

I'm adding this to my claims spreadsheet, but I'm not happy about it.

[Dunnstral]

I admittedly might be mistaken about your read on Lapsa.

Is there something specific that makes you think I'm scum with him or do you just think we're both scum? To my knowledge I've barely acknowledged him this game.

That makes you look worse, considering his interactions with you have been wonky.

[Dunnstral]

In fact, why don't we take a look at these super-weird lapsa/mirhawk interactions? But I'm going to include in general all other interactions to help make things clear

[Dunnstral]

Lapsa's Interactions

25 - dunnstral vote
28 - dunnstral
32 - implosion
35 - implosion
190 - performer
191 - dunnstral
192 - wake88
203 - dunnstral unvote
206 - implosion
210 - sickofit
213 - dunnstral
215 - zachstral
217 - shannon
218 - nosferatu/transcend
219 - boem
281 - titus
282 - performer
284 - zachstral
287 - boem
288 -

mirhawk

(looks like distancing instead of a real thought process)
289 - zachstral
294 - podoboq
296 - zachstral
298 - zachstral
302 - peregrine
305 - almost50
346 - podoboq
414 - podoboq
415 - shannon
416 - performer
417 - performer
419 - implosion
420 - implosion (reads list, leaves out mirhawk)
421 - podoboq
452 - podoboq
454 - zachstral
456 - titus
462 - titus vote
498 - titus
502 - zachstral
504 - titus
521 - lapsa
539 - titus
566 - titus
567 - agar
623 - dunnstral
626 - wake88
627 -

mirhawk

vote (looks like distancing)
699 - zachstral
703 - zachstral
704 - zachstral
709 - zachstral
711 - zachstral
716 - zachstral
718 - varsoon
721 - zachstral
729 - zachstral
734 - zachstral/titus vote (asked to question mirhawk; doesn't)
739 - read list (mirhawk mafia - no interaction)
742 -

mirhawk

(strange, saying it is worth towncred when it came before his reads list, but doesn't influence it)

Past this point, he never interacts with mirhawk again.

Mirhawk's Interactions

16 - podoboq vote
88 - sickofit
196 - sickofit
200 - dunnstral
243 - wake88
244 - performer
251 - zachstral
252 - performer
432 - dunnstral
435 - performer
639 - boem
640 - performer
641 - dunnstral
644 - shannon
645 - transcend
649 - mirhawk
650 - performer
652 - zachstral
655 - zachstral
656 -

lapsa

(about the macho claim, aka filler)
657 - zachstral
658 - zachstral
660 - titus
662 - transcend
664 - dunnstral
665 - varsoon
667 - zachstral vote
717 - zachstral
719 - zachstral
731 - dunnstral
735 - zachstral
737 - dunnstral
740 -

lapsa

(about painbringer, aka filler)

He never talks about Lapsa past this point (until now when I brought them up as a scum team)



Also notable: both don't interact with Almost50 in that time frame

In post 2335, Almost50 town reads both Lapsa and Mirhawk
In post 2549 I ask Almost50 to do an iso of mirhawk; he goes on to do one of performer who is of similar length to mirhawk, but gives an excuse about length for "not doing other people"
Almost50 also responded to the macho claim by Lapsa, in 423

[AGar]

Almost50, stick to Newbie games, you clearly need the work.

The amount of people who can't comprehend that when multiple people say "I won't lynch this person." and they're people that are generally being townread, well that person isn't getting lynched is literally mind-boggling. If the most vocal proponents in the town say "I'm not going to vote to lynch X, end of story," then where do you fuckwads think the votes to lynch someone come from? THAT is why I switched off Titus you fucking dipshits. THAT is why I jumped my vote to another wagon, and THAT is why I'm apparently scum. Cool story dipshits.

Now, let's assess the motherfucking situation here.

Vedith, is scum. He replaced Nos, came in and did some shitty posturing, and has now tested the waters on the leading wagon, because oh noez, we can't commit to fucking anything that isn't endorsed by the town posse, and then also soft-claims having a PR. HMMMMMMM I FUCKING WONDER GENIUSES.

Shannon is either scum or terrible, and I can't tell you which. I'd be fine finding out via a flip, if it needs to come to that, but if not, she looks like she'll be much more easily read later on.

Dunn is probtown, with Zack and Wake. (Hey guys, note that all 3 of these players are also saying they won't lynch Titus, and are pretty universally being town-read. When three players won't lynch someone that are being fairly townread across the board... see above. Then think about how fucking stupid the idea that "AGAR UNVOTED TITUS HERP DA DERP" is. And then go fuck yourselves.)

Almost50 is providing us with a ton of

hard hitting in depth analysis

that's literally a steaming heap of bullshit.

And Titus is still scum, but hey, what do I know, I'm scum, amirite?

Lynch the Vedith because he can just die. Ignore the claim because it's all a load of bullshit and no one worth a shit goes "I can claim if need be, it's like 5 days until deadline tee-hee."

By the way, you'll get 1 fucking post a day from me and you'll fucking like it, because I have a job and a life outside of MS and I refuse to let one game manipulate my schedule. Fucking. Deal.

[Wake1]

Dunn is probtown, with Zack and Wake. (Hey guys, note that all 3 of these players are also saying they won't lynch Titus, and are pretty universally being town-read. When three players won't lynch someone that are being fairly townread across the board... see above. Then think about how fucking stupid the idea that "AGAR UNVOTED TITUS HERP DA DERP" is. And then go fuck yourselves.)

AGar, if you're referring to me please note where my current vote is.

[Zachstralkita]

I really don't get this AGar scumread.

Anyways.

VOTE: Vedith

[Zachstralkita]

ISOing Performer (88 posts):

Since I'm only explaining my reads here I need not go through anything beyond his opening post.

"Vote No Lynch" is enough for me to get a town read on him.

Contrary to popular belief, only TOWN would suggest a No Lynch so openly and that early. Scum know this move will put them at the very center of everyone's suspects list. Personally, I wouldn't dare suggest it if I was scum (and I wouldn't dare fake claim on D1 either). I know YMMD and all, but that's how I classify Performer until further notice. Nothing in his ISO makes me think otherwise either.

Mirhawk (88 posts):

By implication, his early duel with Sick over Performer's NL suggestion makes him a slight town lean. However, most of his posts are one liners and uninformative.

I did like him asking about LAMIST, bc I didn't know what that was, but assumed it was a misspelled derivation of "lame"

I also like his stance on the mason claims.

Conclusion: Upon reread I'm relegating him from Town to Town-Lean.

There's nothing scummy in his ISO, but there's nothing strongly indicative of him being town either.

N.B. Shannon is now conf!town to me. The role claim was uncalled for, but it was also out of the blue (i.e. there was not much pressure on her).

I wouldn't be lynching here bc -although uninformed- that's a vote that can help us.

Scum are informed and will know where to vote

9and it certainly isn't in town's favour),

while town -no matter how uninformed- are more likely to hit on scum sooner or later

, besides.. if scum want to shoot her she's doing exactly what a VT should be doing, i.e. eating a bullet for the town PRs.

Everyone else has posted over 100 posts, and I'm not about to ISO them anytime soon.

I'll wait and see how the day (and night) go before I start doing that.

Also, welcome beeboy.

Huh? What the fuck did I just read? This is among 5 worst posts in the game.

I'd like to know the other 4.

[Dunnstral]

I'd like to know the other 4.

Well, no one, but that's because we haven't counter-claimed masons yet.

I think we can't sidestep this any further, mason buddy.

[Dunnstral]

I want to lynch one of lapsa/mirhawk today