Open 642 - The Woodshed - Game Over

[Titus]

I wanna rope BTD and Ranger though

Why Alex?

[Ranger]

Mod: feeling a bit under the weather

(didn't post yesterday because of it),

so V/LA today, maybe tomorrow

, depending on how long it takes to recover.

Sorry.

Noted

[Quaroath]

Vote count 2.9

AlpacaAlpaca - (1) Music and Mail
mhsmith0 - (2) Ranger, BTD6_maker
BTD6_maker - (3) Kappy, drmyshottyizsik, Titus

Not Voting - (2) AlpacaAlpaca, mhsmith0
With 8 eligible to vote, is takes 5 to lynch.

Kappy is V/LA until 7/6.
BTD6_maker is V/LA until 7/4

Deadline is at July 7th, 10:00pm PST.
I am willing to push this back 48 hours due to the US holiday weekend if the majority of players request the extension. No further extensions are forthcoming.

[BTD6_maker]

I am phone posting at the moment.

VOTE: 48 hour extension

I really dislike my wagon, in the sense that I get the feeling it's not at all Town-motivated. I am pretty much only scumread for two reasons: my hammer on IV (which I have since explained) and my refusal to give reasons for Mhsmith. I do agree that I haven't given a case yet but that point will be invalid when I supply a case. Obviously I cannot just yet but I will.

As for my wagon, Kappy is a Townread of mine but I still think he is voting me for the wrong reasons. His sole reason seems to be my hammer which I have debunked. I can excuse that for now as he is in V/LA but giving him a chance to explain and review his read would help.

Shotty pretty much voted because of a reaction as I was sick of explaining the same thing over and over again to a Town that refused to listen. Again, the IV point has been explained.

Titus was voting purely because I voted a Townread. Given that it was nulltown (and practically null at that) and I was trying to put pressure to fully escape RVS, I don't see how that's scummy.

[Town Mafioso]

Theres alot more I want to do today, but with everyone V/LA, I think I want a flip.

So fuck it:

VOTE: BTD

L-1

[Town Mafioso]

What's up bitches. This is my first game back after like 2 years, so I'm pretty rusty on my mafia. Got inspired to play again because I miss the bullshitty, argumentative circlejerking and wifom shitting that is this game.

Yo IV.

You said it first.

[Town Mafioso]

Also, Titus seems uninterested in this game, and thats a towntell if i ever seen one.

[BTD6_maker]

Theres alot more I want to do today, but with everyone V/LA, I think I want a flip.

So fuck it:

VOTE: BTD

L-1

Why do you actually scumread me?

[BTD6_maker]

Especially as no one on my wagon actually has good reasons for it, as I have explained.

[Town Mafioso]

Theres alot more I want to do today, but with everyone V/LA, I think I want a flip.

So fuck it:

VOTE: BTD

L-1

Why do you actually scumread me?

So far your reads look fake and fabricated.

[Town Mafioso]

Also, we dont need an extention.

If youre a tree, you can bitch at us tomorrow. But then again:

You're not talking tomorrow.

[Town Mafioso]

Nulltown: Kappy, InnocentVillager

Nullscum: Music And Mail

These are incredibly weak.

VOTE: InnocentVillager

All my reads are practically null. You are a

miniscule townread

but I believe pressure is the key to escaping RVS. The read is too weak to matter much.

I dont care if its RVS, this is stupid. Like the vote should have been on M+M, so.

[Town Mafioso]

Well, at least this was a good lynch.

Town have a very good chance in this game now.

Oh God.

you need to die.

(I'd say kill it with fire, but not here).

[BTD6_maker]

At the start everyone other than me has a 25% chance of being scum from my perspective. IV was roughly 24.5%. It was worth a temporary vote to generate pressure. I have explained this many times before.

The IV comments were as I was roughly 70% sure IV was scum when I hammered, and a scum lynch on Day 1 makes Town highly likely to win.

[Town Mafioso]

So your reads were fake at that time?

Because voting "Null-town" over "Null or worse" seems off.

Also, town doesn't say "This was a good lynch," Scum do to make themselves look better when he flips town.

[BTD6_maker]

Town can easily end up saying things people think only scum would say.

[Town Mafioso]

Ignoring the top question means your reads were fake.

GG

[BTD6_maker]

My reads weren't fake. They were just too weak to matter. It was a minute gut reads list.

[mhsmith0]

Btd's ISO has been undeniably terrible, but how confident are people that they're actual scum instead of just mislynch bait? They seem to get quick lynched consistently regardless of alignment (and apparently have zero desire to fix their game to stop this from happening). And this format especially is punishing towards mislynches of non-productive mislynch bait types.

@btd: you're at L-1 and the board wants your blood. It is past time to start putting reasons behind ALL of your reads. If you're town, it is the only way you even have a chance to convince everyone else that your reads are genuine and coming from a town perspective. Naked reads and active lurking and scummy postings have gotten you to l-1. If you're town, you need to fix this. Or if you're an arsonist just self hammer and save us all the time and trouble.

Ps to clarify, no one needs massive highly detailed cases. But naked reads won't help you. You need to give people a window into your thinking so they can read and sort you. This is absolutely true if you're town... And if you're a wolf here, then at least you can give it a shot and try and learn from the experience.

[BTD6_maker]

Well, I am in V/LA and am phone posting. Tomorrow I should be able to post normally and provide my reasons for my read on you. Once that happens, people should reconsider their read. The only reasons given are the same old reasons again, such as "Still waiting for the Mhsmith case", "opportunistic hammer", and "one minor vote barely out of RVS was on a minuscule Townread for pressure". I can fix that, at least the first one. Just wait until I am out of V/LA.

[mhsmith0]

@btd: not just reasons for your read on me, reasons for ALL your reads. Your actual content has been sorely lacking compared to your post count. If you're town, you need to fix it.

Ps one new avenue to explore: the wagon on you. Of your voters, who are you suspicious of? Who are you NOT suspicious of? And why?

[BTD6_maker]

Yes, I will fix it but I will do your read first. Then I will get on to my wagon reads.

[Town Mafioso]

Smith, this isnt a newbie game.

Quit coaching

[Town Mafioso]

Yes, I will fix it but I will do your read first. Then I will get on to my wagon reads.

Im not giving you an extention to waste more of my time

[mhsmith0]

Smith, this isnt a newbie game.

Quit coaching

if the only way to get sortable content from btd is to "coach" them (I.e. Explain super basic stuff like "you're supposed to provide reasons for things, especially when asked" and "naked reads are not useful content"), then that's what I'll do. If I'm to lynch them, I'd rather it be because their reasons are lies than because they don't provide reasons at all. If this is annoying to you, well, sorry.