Mini 1805 [C'est fini!]

[Creature]

tbh I am feeling safer with a Mario lynch.

[Infinity 324]

I just have too many town reads -_-

From scummiest to towniest, it goes something like this:
Derek, Mario, petroleum, dragon, crab, atm, robb, dwlee, eggman, f-oh-ex, smith, creature

Would want mario lynched but I would rather something that gives more info.

[Robbnva]

Since he's active lurking and that's a very well known scum tell I wouldn't object to his lynch

[Creature]

The problem of leaving Mario alive is that he'll keep lurking and stay unreadable. Even if we investigate him, what he'll do? Lurk more? If we lynch him, at least we'll let who's interested in playing alive longer, have more active days and keep it clear that active lurking will end in this.

[Robbnva]

I'm still sticking with my scum reads. If I have to compromise later I will. I also need to look over that post earlier but I decided to drink
Tonight so not tonight

[Derek12]

What do you make of crabman changing his meta so dramatically from the other game that a lot of the same players were in? What's your read on dragon?

I'm pretty sure I went over the first one before? I think the meta change is better explained as being newb scum who's either having a hard time faking scum reads, or isn't confident enough in his play to do so. While he'd obviously want to imitate his town game as scum, that's easier said then done especially when you're new. Also, I'm pretty sure someone brought it up before, but crab's reads were pretty accurate in his first game. I don't see much of a reason for someone to start using a new strategy randomly, especially when his old one seemed to have worked perfectly fine.

As for Dragon, hard to say. I thought his posting early on wasn't the best mostly due to gut. His recent posts seem to have got a lot better though? Honestly at some point before/around when you replaced in, there was suddenly a lot of pages that seemed to me to be filled with a lot of theory. Posts like that bore me to tears, and I've never felt them to be particularly AI. Thanks to this, I've been disengaged from the game to an extent over the past few days. I don't really have a strong read on DoTW because a bulk of his posts have been in that time frame. If there's anything in particular that you want me to go over in his ISO I can take a stab at it.

I just have too many town reads -_-

From scummiest to towniest, it goes something like this:
Derek, Mario, petroleum, dragon, crab, atm, robb, dwlee, eggman, f-oh-ex, smith, creature

Is there a point here where your nullreads/townreads start? I know you find Mario and I scummy, but it's hard to tell where people out of the extremes land if there's no scale.

[Infinity 324]

What do you make of crabman changing his meta so dramatically from the other game that a lot of the same players were in? What's your read on dragon?

I'm pretty sure I went over the first one before? I think the meta change is better explained as being newb scum who's either having a hard time faking scum reads, or isn't confident enough in his play to do so. While he'd obviously want to imitate his town game as scum, that's easier said then done especially when you're new. Also, I'm pretty sure someone brought it up before, but crab's reads were pretty accurate in his first game. I don't see much of a reason for someone to start using a new strategy randomly, especially when his old one seemed to have worked perfectly fine.

Don't agree with this, but not really worth arguing over, crab is one of my weaker townreads anyway.

I find it odd that you wouldn't get anything alignment indicative about the robb v. me v. smith v. dragon stuff, because there was a lot of aggression/emotion to analyze there.

I just have too many town reads -_-

From scummiest to towniest, it goes something like this:
Derek, Mario, petroleum, dragon, crab, atm, robb, dwlee, eggman, f-oh-ex, smith, creature

Is there a point here where your nullreads/townreads start? I know you find Mario and I scummy, but it's hard to tell where people out of the extremes land if there's no scale.

petroleum is a null to slight lean town, others go up from there. So yeah, too many townreads

[Robbnva]

petroleum is a null to slight lean town,

From only one post?



You said stuff I did could easily be faked by so you had me as a leaning scum read after your catchup when I put in the fucking work and proved somebody was lying

But petroleum replaces in and does a lousy catchup post and he's leaning town?


Oh no sorry somethings off kilter here

[Robbnva]

Faked by scum*

[Infinity 324]

You had actually done things that I thought were scummy and pinged my gut...

Don't decide for me what's lousy and what's easy to fake.

[Robbnva]

How can this game have so many scummy players yet you have so many town reads and it's still day 1?

[Robbnva]

Yeah I'm calling foul.

1. I didn't do anything scummy
2. A catchup post is probably the easiest thing for scum to fake

[Robbnva]

If I did things you found scummy why haven't you pointed those out?

I smell something fishy

[Infinity 324]

I disagree that there are so many scummy players...

Again, don't decide for me what's scummy. You certainly did things that pinged my gut.

Catchup posts are easy to fake, and petroleum could've had it written before hand, but I doubt it, and it was a really good catchup post. Are you seriously calling me out for my weak reasoning on a

null, slightly leaning town

read?

PEdit: I didn't point them out because they were a long time ago and I didn't want to have to go back into the thread.

[Robbnva]

Clear something up for me here.

This first quote implies your scum list is Derek, me, or crab

I'll vote robb or crab at deadline though cause those are my weaker town reads

But this quote has your list as Derek, Mario, and petroleum (which contradicts your previous post)

From scummiest to towniest, it goes something like this:
Derek, Mario, petroleum, dragon, crab, atm, robb, dwlee, eggman, f-oh-ex, smith, creature

And this post contradicts again having petroleum now as a lean town

petroleum is a null to slight lean town, others go up from there. So yeah, too many townreads

Um your slip is showing bro

vote infinity

Final answer

[Robbnva]

and it was a really good catchup post.

Yeah it was so good he places 3rd on your most scummiest list only to be removed a couple of posts later?

So is he your scum buddy?

You're caught

[Robbnva]

Also I went from 2nd scummiest to 6th towniest (or 7th scummiest depending on perspective)

[Robbnva]

[Robbnva]

Again, don't decide for me what's scummy.

You need help obviously cause you keep changing your mind aparently. Your flip flop on petroleum is the weirdest since he didn't post anything.

It looks like all your scum suspects are the easy targets. Why is that?

Why are your town reads the scummier people? Like creature at one point was your top scum read. Fucking really?

[Robbnva]

Why would you make this post to try and convince me that my read is wrong about crab and then later say he's who you would lynch at deadline? That literally makes no sense

Spoiler: crabman

So far I feel that this is creature's town game. His posts feel to me to be made in a manner scum wouldn't, which from my limited experience is more hesitant to start a wagon and draw attention to themselves.

So you think the scumteam in a 13-player game would be three people?

That sounds like he was trying to force a townslip out of himself.

I don't like eggman's posts so far in general and i'd like to see more defense/scum hunting from him. Until then, VOTE: Eggman

I agree that his posts are funny but not being that actively scum hunting doesn't mean he's scum. I for instance aren't that active but I'm still town.

Yeah, I'm reluctant to scum read Smithereen on two posts that he made. Two posts is not enough to judge anyone on.

He's posted more since then, what are your thoughts on the posts?

I think that the "what's your favorite desert question" was definitely on purpose. I don't know what way that points eggman, though.

Ok so, do you have any thoughts on Eggman beyond this? Or any player not named Creature? Your recent posts still have little to no real content.

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As for the VT crumb I don't really see crumbing VT as alignment indicative. It seems kinda pointless as both town and scum, and I could see him doing it as either alignment. I still think crazy is a better wagon, which is why people should join me on it.

1- I'm have a minor townlean on smithereen now and I feel his attitude is what I expect from town.
2- I feel that eggman is acting odd and I feel that cruming VT is what scum would tell him to do day 1. It is possible that he just found out about crumbing and thought it would be a way to dissuade any suspicion against him. I'll be doing a chart later today on town and scum reads.

But if you are more suspicious of creature your vote should be on creature. You even thought he was lying about eggs games and I proved he was and you don't vote him?

That just strikes me as weird. Id like to see creature get a few more votes on him.

Sometimes more information can be gained by lynching someone who could flp either way, like in my last and first game the tojam lynch would provide valuable information no matter how he flipped, and it led to my investigation of LicketyQuickety, which ultimatly led to scums downfall.

Also, I feel Robbnva is either very set in his ways and doesn't like people not agreeing with him, or he is trying to push ways of thinking which points him as town.

So when I mean acting like atm, I mean more apprehensive to criticism. Last game when there was pressure put on him he was pretty cool and collected. This game he seems more on end. Some examples:

I am thinking the whole scum team is in {Akigoku, crazycrabman, MarioManiac4, Robbnva, Smithereens, stelo}

You're putting a person that has never posted onto the scum team? For real?

Are you even reading?

And now I'm not sure what to make of egg

unvote

Lots to think about now

What made you question your decision?

Pretty sure all of my reasonings have been posted. Finish catching up and if you still can't tell I'll point them out. I'm heading out to pick up my son.

This looks like an SvS interaction.

Here I feel he is trying to create confusion and noise.

crazy

Do you actually have any opinion on me vs Robbnva?

Again, noise.

So basically I get a tense vibe from him through his posts. He is definitely not like atm in that he asks questions like "how to vote", but I feel he's giving off the same feel atm gave off the first game I played with them.

This is not someone trying to look confused.

[Infinity 324]

The only reason I mentioned you and crab in the first place was because you were what I perceived to be other viable lynches for today...

Again, don't think a mario lynch would give us much info, and others except dragon (which I forgot to metion) aren't realistic.

Get your vote off me and stop nitpicking and pretending like you caught me in something.

PEdit: Dude, I never said petroleum changed places, I just have a shitton of town reads.

PEdit 2: Your interactions with me looked towny and there isn't a ton of difference a lot of the reads in the middle.

PEdit 3: Creature is and always has always been my top townread, already explained that.

PEdit 4: I just didn't like your reasoning is all

[Robbnva]

Where is the price is right loser born when you need it. Your game just went to shit.

We have confirmed scum in infinity

[Infinity 324]

[Robbnva]

PEdit: Dude, I never said petroleum changed places, I just have a shitton of town reads.

I'm yes you did.

He went from 3rd scummiest to "lean town"

Read your own posts bro

[Infinity 324]

3rd scummiest and lean town.

I have a shitton of town reads.