Mini 1805 [C'est fini!]

[Robbnva]

Claiming that you will ignore players is also bad.

Disagree

[Robbnva]

Isn't it obvious my intention wasn't to lie, but rather say what I think?

But in order to say what you think, you have to be informed with correct information. Your information wasn't correct.

So we have to believe that

A townie did 180 on somebody for weak reasoning and is now coming to their defense using false information?

How can you expect anyone to actually believe that?

[Dwlee99]

Lol at the case on robb tbh

[Infinity 324]

Come on, do something dude

What do you think about derek and dragon

[Dwlee99]

Town and town lean

[Robbnva]

What's your thought on all the evidence I just provided on why infinity is scum?

[Dwlee99]

I mean like yea he could be scum or he coukd just be town hard derping and town reading everyone. I have had games where I was town reading p much the entire player base.

[Robbnva]

What's wrong with people on this site?

[Dwlee99]

The fact that I realize town dont always play optimally and therefore laugh at most cases that are like "oh if they were town they wouldnt ignore people!!" like petr's case on you?

[Robbnva]

The fact that I realize town dont always play optimally and therefore laugh at most cases that are like "oh if they were town they wouldnt ignore people!!" like petr's case on you?

I mean people basically write off everything as a potentially townie act so how do lynches go through? Everything can be a potentially townie act so we can't lynch anyone?

Might as well close the site and call it a day

[Robbnva]

vote no lynch

We can't lynch anyone cause everything is a potentially townie act and nothing is scummy anymore so let's let the PRs find scum for us.

Good bye

[Dwlee99]

Omg robb.
My whole point is that one stinking thing that someone does that is viewed as scummy doesnt make someone scum. It is a combination of them doing more scummy things than thought possible by town!them.

[Robbnva]

It's not just one stinking thing though. I pointed out 3/4 suspicious things. Thanks for admitting you didn't even read my posts.

[Dwlee99]

Town reading a lot of the people and then creature being a townread are very similar. I thought that your thing about how infinity had someone go from 3rd scummiest to 7th scummiest was just like the way they ordered the list or something? Idk I was tired when I read through that stuff.
Either way I still said enough that town!them wouldnt do.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Infinity
Screw it

[F-oh-ex]

Creature is still scum as hell, and he keeps swamping in more lies. Eggman hasn't done anything that would change my opinion about him, neither did crab. Still in favour of lynching Creature, especially since he's tied to both Egg and Crab in my eyes.

Petroleum's a meh replacement so far, his catchup was awfully selective and didn't mention a lot of people. Not a scumread yet but he doesn't contribute a lot. Infinity, on the other hand, is hyperactive and seems erratic and chaotic. I suppose it might be in some part due to the fact he's a replacement since from personal experience I could never get my feet into game when replacing.

[F-oh-ex]

Robb is my strongest Townread atm and I do get your frustration because how can ignoring something so obvious not be frustrating but some people might not, I guess. Not sure if that's the best way to convince others.

[Dragon of the West]

@petroleumjelly, our neighborhood conversation has been EXTREMELY sparse. I didn't post in it for about the first two days because I legitimately just forgot about it. I had the tab for it open on my comp to remind me to post but early on I was only using my phone for this game because I had been working, leading to me forgetting to post in it. Our only real conversation following that was him asking to bounce ideas off each other despite the fact that he "couldn't get a read on me". He asked me what I thought of creature and who my scum reads were. Besides that: nothing

[F-oh-ex]

Eh, isn't one of the points of private chat by Neighbours being able to get a good read on your Neighbour?

[Dragon of the West]

If it is he's not using it to that end

[crazycrabman]

Hello! Sorry I've been gone, I've been busy with stuff. From my viewpoint jelly looks town. I will also be gone tomorrow (4th of July) and the next day (my birthday) and I hope you'll excuse my absence.

[crazycrabman]

4.)

crazycrabman, why were Robbnva and Creature knocked down in your updated 'chart' to a scumlean?

Relatedly, could you please elaborate on these posts:

I believe that Creature and some lurker is scum. I believe creature is scum because his attitude fits that of scum and his posting style. This is a result of a flawed strategy so take it with a grain of salt. I know you are going to say t re-read the game with a different mindset but anything different besides the one I have used and am using right now would be lying to myself.

Also, many things changed between creature's early game and now. Early on he acted like he did in my first game with him, where he was town. Now he is acting a lot different, a bit like atm in that first game. I did like his posting style before, but not now.

Early game I had a strong town read on Creature. When I put up the first "chart" I was wavering a bit on that judgement. Then when the whole eggman crumb came to pass, I felt that creature was tied to eggman, and dropped him down to scumlean.
Then when Robbnva started throwing minor accusations against me and others I felt as if he was warding off the Creature lynch and thus I dropped him down. Currently I can see the game going two ways. I could see the creature wagon being staged by scum or I could see creature being scum, with the latter being what I favor currently.

I believe those two posts kinda explain themselves. The first post I was stressing a bit because my playstyle was under accusation and I couldn't really respond to it. The second post is saying that I used to like creature's posting style but now I don't.

[petroleumjelly]

1.)

@petroleum: Do you think some of the point again robb could be explained by a very different playstyle as opposed to him being scum? Cause I'm not really seeing the scum motivation for his actions

To an extent, yes. I have played with Robbnva once before while he was under a different name, and it was one of the singularly most unpleasant games I have participated in. I would much rather not interact with him at all, and I would not have offered to replace if I had known. But I'm here. Given this backdrop, I actually did take a step back and decide whether I am being influenced by annoyance or suspicion.

He is trying too hard to make sure we remember how involved he is in the game. He claims everybody should have an opinion on him but he is dismissive of people whose opinion is suspion (and this contradicts his attempts to say he "doesn't care" how he is perceived). He keeps acting like he has made silver-bullet cases against people (catching them in "lies") when at best he has hit on some potential contradictions.

He has tried to direct investigation targets twice, which is something he should know not to do with his level of experience. Now he has also outed his Neighborhood, which if Town is

obviously bad

. If both Robbnva and Dragon of the West are Town, that just gives the scum a much better perspective of what they are dealing with. The reveal did not even accomplish anything. So why do it? It looks to me that it was largely in response to having somebody expressing genuine suspicion of him (i.e., me) and trying to vaguely suggest perhaps we should poke at Dragon of the West instead.

I have not liked his votes, which have been: vote atm498 afer being called a slight scumlean on page 4; putting Eggman at L-1 on page 17 (i.e., never switching his early vote until it puts somebody near death); switching to Creature after a Creature-Eggman team was discussed; putting crazycrabman at L-2 (while requesting an investigation on Creature); voting for Smithereens while arguing over Eggman-Creature connection; and now voting No Lynch to 'make a point.' He basically held on to his vote early until he could put a player close to being lynched, then switched while connecting that player to another player, then put a third player close to being lynched, and now he's starting to get erratic after those lynches did not go through. His two latest votes have essentially involved him putting his fingers in his ears (claiming he should "ignore" Smithereens, and voting No Lynch because apparently there's something "wrong" with us).

Players who play "emotionally" can still be scum, and you can expect them to act emotional when they are scum.

2.)

Infinity 324, can you explain Robbnva's position in your list:

From scummiest to towniest, it goes something like this:
Derek, Mario, petroleum, dragon, crab, atm, robb, dwlee, eggman, f-oh-ex, smith, creature

Robbnva is one of the few players you have actually expressed and explained your suspicion on. Otherwise you have said you have a potential "gut" read on Derek12 and MarioManiac4. Has something about Robbnva changed your mind on him since your entrance into the game?

Additionally, could you please attempt to explain your gut reads of Derek12 and MarioManiac4? You have given some explanation for your Derek12 suspicion (in Post #835), but not MarioManiac4.

3.)

Dragon of the West, I am having serious issues of your treatment of Eggman's vanilla townie "crumb." While Eggman was at L-1 you basically tried to push through the lynch by attacking his "crumb" for multiple posts, including:

the dessert question may have been on purpose, but at this point it doesn't make me believe that eggman would do that as vanilla townie.

it feels like a scum leaving an easy crumb for themselves to claim

And two minutes later, you crumb Neighbor:

OOC: what was that show from the 90's with the guy who would always say

"howdy neighbor"

? Was that the one with Tim Allen talking to his

neighbor

over the fence and they never showed his

neighbor's

face? I've been trying to figure it out all day and it's killing me

Mind explaining? This looks an awful lot like an "easy crumb for you to claim." And neighbor is mechanically about the weakest role possible after Townie. Even if you are a Neighbor (which I believe), it says next to nothing about your alignment.

[Robbnva]

He has tried to direct investigation targets twice, which is something he should know not to do with his level of experience.

Thanks for proving you are a bad player if you are town. Cause that's factually wrong. There's nothing wrong with giving investigative advice.

[Robbnva]

voting No Lynch because apparently there's something "wrong" with us).

Anyone who can't see infinity is scum has something wrong with them.