Mini 1805 [C'est fini!]

[Robbnva]

I have a day cop inno on dragon, can you stop now, infinity?

I have a day cop guilty on infinity.

Let's lynch him now ok?

[Smithereens]

Robb I see you've started posting again, before you go further may I request your posts be overall less abusive towards the other players? Thx.

[Robbnva]

F U

Ok?

[Smithereens]

If you're not enjoying yourself why are you even playing in the first place? You could just ask for replacement and then everyone wins.

[Robbnva]

Who says I'm not enjoying myself. I love to curse

You know what would be a win for everyone? Well everyone but the scum team that is.

An infinity lynch cause he slipped and he's caught. Why can't you see that? His reads make no sense from a town pov

Dismissing stuff as easily faked and turning around and calling 1 post something to town read somebody doesn't make sense from a town pov.

If you are town open your eyes and see scum is right in front of you. Take your head out of the sand or whatever other metaphor I need to say to make you realize that scum is caught, he just needs to be lynched.

[Smithereens]

There is only 1 way you can know 100% sure creature is scum... Trust me, if you have some time go read all of the games from Jake from state farm and

you will see me about a bazlilion times (obviously exaggeration of the number) claim I know somebody is 100% scum. You will also see that person flip town and I have egg on my face and a room full of pissed off people.

History repeats itself. you're claiming someone is scum because they changed their reads really haphazardly, as if that's AI in the first place.

[Robbnva]

Yeah but this time is different

[Smithereens]

Apply that logic to every instance where you mislynch. It's not hard to take a step back and be a bit more self-aware. You're wrapped up in your own confbias and you don't even see it omg.

[Robbnva]

take a step back and realize what exactly?

In my mind I can imagine how a person who claims they are town can dismiss something as easily faked and then call something that is easily faked as a reason to town read somebody.

At the very least it makes him a hypocrite which isn't scummy by itself BUT he gives his list of people from scummiest to towniest and he wants to lynch people who aren't on the scummiest side and he then says one of the people on the scummiest side is actually leaning town.

At some point you have to consider body of work and his body of work is shit.

[F-oh-ex]

Can you not initiate another futile 1v1 shitposting that serves nothing other than to obscure the game?

[Robbnva]

If you can rationalize how infinity's actions could possibly come from town in a way that actually makes sense.

[Robbnva]

Here. Since nobody really cares about lynching scum

vote: no lynch

When y'all are ready to lynch scum let me know and I'll vote infinity or creature. I'll compromise on Mario cause he's definitely active lurking.

I'll log out and won't post anymore ok?

Deuces and fuck you all

[F-oh-ex]

Well I'm still on Creature so not sure what more you expect from me in the matter of lynching scum.

[Robbnva]

I want the most scummiest person in the game to be lynched. That's the point of this game right? Find scum which is usually the most scummiest person.

That person is hands down infinity at this point.

[Dwlee99]

I have a day cop inno on dragon, can you stop now, infinity?

I have a day cop guilty on infinity.

Let's lynch him now ok?

Im already voting him
hmmmph

[Robbnva]

That's directed at everyone

[Dragon of the West]

1.)

Dragon of the West, in your last game of mafia (which I understand was also your first game), you put a player at L-1. You later showed concern about leaving players at L-1 where they could be hammered, and you in fact unvoted that player to prevent it:

does someone want to unvote just to be sure? or are we okay with him sitting at L-1 trusting no one will just hammer him?

Is tojam at L-2 or L-1? I unvoted because I was afraid at[m487] would throw on his vote after my explanation and accidentally hammer

You did not seem to have the same mentality with Eggman today. If anything, you ramped up the pressure once Eggman hit L-1/L-2. You have only recently shifted your vote, but that was only after the wagon had died down. Between you, F-oh-ex, Smithereens, and Robbnva roundly criticizing Eggman's "crumb," there was clearly enough conversational momentum that an Eggman lynch was in sight. This was particularly evident given that a votecount put Eggman at L-1 in Post #404, which was followed by atm487 calling for a hammer, and then crazycrabman (a potential hammer vote) posting that Eggman was his strongest scumread in Post #415.

Why were you content to leave your vote on Eggman?

2.)

Dragon of the West:

I play by considering everyone to be mafia at the start. Guilty until they convince me they're innocent

This is pretty clearly not how you actually play. Why did you say it, then?

3.)

Dragon of the West, both of your serious votes in this game were in large part because you wanted to "hear more" from certain players:

I don't like eggman's posts so far in general and i'd like to see more defense/scum hunting from him. Until then, VOTE: Eggman

VOTE: MarioManiac4 I want to hear more from him and I really feel like the only way to do that is to start putting some votes on him. I'm on board with both the creature and crazy wagons though as they're still my main scumreads. I don't think they could both be part of the same scum team though. I'll go through their interactions in a bit to see if I'm wrong, but just from memory it seems like they've both taken decent cracks at each other

While I don't have problems poking at quiet players, is there a reason you have not placed votes on your main scumreads?

4.)

Robbnva, could you summarize your Neighborhood conversation with Dragon of the West? Please refrain from direct quotes.

Please nobody derphammer without any last words from tojam

^^^^

I was sincerely worried about a derphammer. Especially since it was a newbie game and I really didn't trust atm

does someone want to unvote just to be sure? or are we okay with him sitting at L-1 trusting no one will just hammer him?

How about you...

haha i could, but it wasn't a request for someone to. just me asking the guys who haven't voted yet if they would feel better if someone did. I'm content with Tojam sitting at L-1

Here I said I was fine with him sitting at L-1 because I didn't have a problem with the lynch, but I was still worried someone hammering before Tojam got to give his final thoughts and reads. Then atm asked for more evidence against tojam before he put his vote on him. to which I responded with:

Okay sorry for the inactivity so far I've been busy the past two days. The vibes I'm getting so far are creature and tojam as the most scummy. Just reading over the thread creature seems to make a lot of cases that feel forced. Tojam has been iffy between being scarce and having early posts that didn't make much sense (although I may have just misinterpreted them). I haven't gotten a decent read on anyone else besides crazy's townslip.
VOTE: tojam L-1

Thanks for calling L-1, it helps us a lot, shame that one of you is probably going to lynch me now, then immediately think Creature is scum for pushing my wagon so hard, which could be correct, though it's unlikely as most of you have pointed out.

Please do not use the word 'vibe', it means nothing in terms of the game and often leads to town lynches. If you do know for sure that a person is scum (or the whole partnership) say it out loud, especially if its LYLO (essentially you have to lynch and if you lynch wrong it's game over) or MYLO (lynch town and it's game over).

Fortunately I'm a Vanilla Townie (VT) so there's still 1 or 2 power roles left in town, if you are a PR, check Creature, but don't say if you are a PR now.

@atm, ultimately, this was his defense when he was at L-1. No one (including myself) thought this was a very good defense of himself. Since pressuring him further he hasn't responded or given a more sound defense. That is why we've still been pressuring and looking for further responses. Ultimately it's a guessing game but Tojam is our best bet. We don't want to lynch him yet since we have more day to work with, though. and if he surprisingly flips town we can take whatever reads he has into consideration

Because of this, I thought that if atm saw my argument and agreed he might end up derphammering without realizing it. After this is when I took my vote off as a precautionary measure. If you would actually read through the game rather than quote the little sections that are convenient for your argument you would have realized this. Also if you read on in the game, atm DOES end up derphammering(which turns out to be a scum hammer) and even says he'd take his vote off Tojam because he didn't realize a hammer vote is final, so my fear was somewhat justified. This game, however, I trust most of you realize how the hammering system works and atm has specifically learned

[Dragon of the West]

So that is why I was content with L-1 being on egg earlier in the day.
2) It's literally how I look at the game. I don't understand your argument of that is not how I play, because it is. Find the people i think must be town, and the rest are in a possible scum list. then widdle it down until I have the scum team. it's just another way to say process of elimination
3) Considering eggman AND mario come out to be a main scum read for me, I'd say that method panned out. So I have, in fact, placed votes on my main scum reads and it is on my main scumread at this moment

[Dragon of the West]

Petroleum's and infinity's cases against me are not making sense to me. They're pretty easily debunked and it's like they aren't paying attention enough to their own points and evidence to realize the obvious holes within them. I can't tell if that's a scum move to set up a future mislynch since i was already in the middle/scummy on most people's reads or if that's town legitimately hunting. Either way it doesn't make sense to me that infinity has soooo many townreads despite how scummy this game feels to then get one defense from me, misrepresent it, and be convinced I'm where they want their vote

[F-oh-ex]

I would still rather lynch Creature today.

[Creature]

Dragon is looking town now.

[Creature]

I would still rather lynch Creature today.

You're saying that thousand times.

[Creature]

Glad I started to reconsider my reads, I feel like I placed obvscums on my original reads.

[Creature]

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Smithereens

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Creature

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MarioManiac4

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Robbnva

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Dwlee99

[06]

petroleumjelly

< stelo

[07]

Dragon of the West

[08]

Derek12

[09]

Infinity 324

< Akigoku

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F-oh-ex

[11]

Eggman

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atm487

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crazycrabman

[Dragon of the West]

fohex what do you think about infinity?