Mini 1805 [C'est fini!]

[Creature]

Although, I must say, that's a bit weird way of dividing the playerlist day 1. Whatever yields good fruit though.

I'll see who's taking opportunity of this Egg drama.

[F-oh-ex]

To what do you refer to as "opportunity"? Egg isn't going to get lynched. And that's generally a null information pre-flip anyway.

[Creature]

Mario goes Anti-Egg camp I guess, the rest look undecided.

[Creature]

When I refer to opportunity, I don't mean "getting an easily mislynch"

When there's a major discussion, it's just simple to scum take a side (preferably different sides to make them less associative) and slide under the radar.

[Dwlee99]

oh yea -derp-

[Dwlee99]

legend

• + working together with somebody, townreading them, defending them, buddying them, helping them, allying with them
  
• - working against somebody, scumreading them, attacking them, pushing them, discrediting them
  
• = neutral interactions, usually quoting somebody without either attacking or defending them, sometimes these are just interactions about setup spec or passing mentions of a slot, sometimes this is responding to a case someone made against you without making it clear whether you’re scumreading them in return or townreading them.
  
• == stating explicitly that a person is a null read
  
• ? I didn’t understand this reaction. this modifies a previous symbol, so +? means “is this an interaction with a townread?” and -? means “is this an interaction with a scumread?” and +?-? means i have no clue what’s going on in that post.
  
• v votes
  
• u unvotes but only if someone says who they’re unvoting because i’m lazy
  
• ☾ marks boundaries between days.
  
• ✝ a gravestone to mark that a slot has died.
  
• R marking the boundaries where a replacement of the slot i'm mapping occurred
  
• r shows where the slot they're interacting with was replaced
  
• ⌾ marks a slot that has been tree-stumped or had their alignment revealed by the mod (IC or similar)
  
• _ conspicuous absences (the only slot left off a readslist, for example)

[Dwlee99]

so i was going to iso map infinity and now i just don't feel like it and it's probably not gonna give me anything anyway

[Smithereens]

Will sheep Dwlee.

VOTE: Crab

[petroleumjelly]

I believe this is the most current vote count:

crazycrabman - 4 - Derek12, Eggman, Dwlee99, Smithereens
MarioManiac4 - 4 - Dragon of the West, Creature, Robbnva, Infinity 324
Creature - 2 - F-oh-ex, crazycrabman
Derek12 - 1 - MarioManiac4
Dragon of the West - 1 - petroleumjelly
Eggman - 1 - atm487

Given the deadline and the requirement that we need a full seven votes to achieve a lynch today, I will move my vote to either crazycrabman or MarioManiac4. Going to read each of them first. If there is an alternate wagon that actually looks promising at hitting seven votes, I would likely to be willing to support it as well.

[Smithereens]

Go with the crabman wagon. The MM4 one is a pure newbie wagon it seems.

[Infinity 324]

Nope, mario wagon is better

[petroleumjelly]

Go with the crabman wagon. The MM4 one is a pure newbie wagon it seems.

Mind using reasons besides pointing to the voters? If I were to base my vote on that alone, I would not pick the wagon being supported by both Robbnva and Dragon of the West.

[Smithereens]

discounting the voters on the MM4 wagon who know how to read MM4, there isn't anyone voting MM4. So not much of a wagon in other words. There's nothing wrong with that logic.

[petroleumjelly]

There are literally four votes on crazycrabman and four votes on MarioManiac4; I would say there definitely

are

votes on MarioManiac4. There is

quite

a bit wrong with that logic.

[Smithereens]

Discounting the nincompoops who are lolvoting I said.

[petroleumjelly]

FoS: Smithereens

[Dwlee99]

nincompoops lel

[petroleumjelly]

This post is a bit of a mess, so apologies in advance. I just don't have time to organize my thoughts or my post right now very clearly.

~

From MarioManiac4's catch-up posts:

->

a.)

In Post #1002 I do not agree with his summarization of Derek12's play. MarioManiac4 paints Derek12 as spending all of his time pursuing crazycrabman ("he doesn't seem to be posting about anyone but crab"), while Derek12 has very clearly been poking at other players and asking them questions. He also states that Derek12 seemed to push the Eggman wagon at it's peak, and that does not appear to be true at all.

I agree that Eggman seemed much more involved and proactive in Celestia Mafia at a glance (and see below).

And I do agree that crazycrabman claiming to have a "strategy" is concerning in itself (since by and large, only scum really think about "strategies" to get through the Day). But I think this comes down to the use of the word "strategy"; I think "playstyle" is more accurate for what crazycrabman is describing.

->

b.)

I also don't understand why Smithereens was included (and then not analyzed) by MarioManiac4. He later mentioned that Smithereens was "first on the playlist," but if that was the determining factor I would think he would continue going down the playlist, which he did not do.

->

c.)

In Post #1105, MarioManiac4 criticizes Creature for trying to meta Eggman from "1 game," which is a strange criticism seeing as MarioManiac's analysis of Eggman just earlier seemed to be based on "1 game" (Celestial Mafia).

~

While scanning Eggman's posts in Celestial Mafia (see above), I came across a couple interesting tidbits:

Biscuitoid: He's just giving me newbie vibes. True Neutral. (Although, claiming VT on Day 1 is a bad bad move, for future reference.)

Claiming VT is useless. I don't know about you guys, but as a mafioso I would never claim VT.

I am a Vanilla Townie. Oh, only other acceptable time for VT to claim: in "roleclaim or die", or LYLO.

From the looks of it, Eggman was eventually run up Day One, claimed Townie, and eventually hammered himself in order to help Town achieve a lynch. On the one hand, given the above quotes, I am less inclined to think Eggman is scum in this game. But on the other hand, Eggman really

was

much more proactive and helpful in that game than this one. Eggman, could you please elaborate on your thoughts of claiming Vanilla Townie on Day One? And if you do not think it is acceptable to

claim

Townie on Day One, why do you think it is acceptable to

crumb

Townie on Day One?

~

Additionally, Creature, I noticed you were scum in that game, so I trust you are more familiar with Eggman's play. Do these quotes from Eggman influence your opinion of him? Did you remember them while playing this game?

[petroleumjelly]

I don't know what to think of crazycrabman. There is far and away a single quote that I think is probably the most telling of his alignment:

Yeah, I was pretty hyped the first game as I waited awhile for it and I got a power role. This game I'm a bit low on energy as that hype is burning off.

In crazycrabman's finished game (Newbie #1715 -- the same game I looked at Dragon of the West, in fact), he pulled a Cop role and pegged a scum with an investigation Night One. That scum counter-claimed him. The game lasted a total of about nine real-time days. I can definitely see how this game would be comparatively less exciting. So the main question to me is whether crazycrabman would similarly be excited/hyped to get a

scum

role in this game.

Another thing that caught my eye in that game was crazycrabman's post-game agreement that scum, even when all hope appears lost, should not give up:

Except Atm487, you need to stick it out to the endgame. Don't ever give up, even when we are saying we know you are scum. I had no idea you were scum but I just acted like I did to see how you would react. If you would've kept trying to prove you're town you could've convinced me to (maybe) vote Dwlee99 tomorrow

Yeah, never give up, never surrender!

Which is a bit different from how crazycrabman has acted in this game:

I see there's four votes on me now. I really can't argue against this wagon because it is concerning the strategy I was testing this game. I can't edit all my posts so hey fit another strategy and just saying "I'm town" won't convince anyone. I could try to justify my reasoning but I already tried that and that didn't work so what else can I do?

You see? Nothing I can do. I guess i'll ride this one out...

So I don't know. crazycrabman

has

seemed to return with a big of a renewed vigor, and I am not sure what that says about his alignment given the context.

~

For now I'm going to do some packing for my trip and think about things. I will be sure to cast a vote before I leave.

[petroleumjelly]

Vote: MarioMaker4

[Dragon of the West]

Ah crap I didn't even get to check if the server was back up today. I spent all of yesterday constantly refreshing my browser. Due to the deadline being so close I'm gonna keep my vote on Mario while it has the most votes. I'm open to voting for a crazy lynch as well if it is the closest to getting the majority of votes needed near deadline. I'll be back in the morning to reread the thread from today and post final thoughts before deadline

[F-oh-ex]

Staying with my vote for now since I believe it to be the optimal lynch but of course I will shift it to another of my scumreads (that will probably mean crazy) if Creature lynch is not happening.

Delivering as promised.
UNVOTE: Creature
VOTE: crazycrabman

[F-oh-ex]

Unofficial Vote Count #2

crazycrabman - 5 - Derek12, Eggman, Dwlee99, Smithereens, F-oh-ex
MarioManiac4 - 5 - Dragon of the West, Creature, Robbnva, Infinity 324, petroleumjelly
Creature - 1 - crazycrabman
Derek12 - 1 - MarioManiac4
Eggman - 1 - atm487

[F-oh-ex]

I think it's safe to assume that crazy and MM4 will crosslynch, unless they don't post at atll together. That would make the deciding vote... atm, who's on a leave of absence.

[F-oh-ex]

That means someone will have to switch wagons for the lynch to happen.