New York 196: My Game, My Flavor Mafia (Mafia Win)

[Zachstralkita]

I know you like to relive your life story and talk about how you got modkilled but that has nothing to do with this game so..........................

We also had that Vedith situation that happened this game. I know you hate being wrong.

[Dunnstral]

I hammered Vedith

[Zachstralkita]

Vedith would never have been lynched if I hadn't pushed Nos in the first place

[beeboy]

Sits and waits for Varsoon.

[Almost50]

Are we going to keep arguing or are we actually ging to do something productive?

VOTE: Mirhawk

One of the 3 people who seem to quiet now for my liking, and the only one a wagon on them.

P.S. The other two are PV who is lost somewhere in a faraway galaxy, and beeboy who is acting like a 3-year old waiting for his mommy to pick him up from kindergarten.

[AGar]

Almost50 seems like a fine lynch choice, like everyone on AGar wagon.
I'm not sure that Mirhawk would leave his vote on shannon with Vedith if they are partners, that's seems dumb to me.
Titus wagon is very conditional on her flip.

^ Kill this ^

I want to take this back to basics here...

- Vedith was at L-5, where in a span of about two hours around deep in the evening (for me at least) five votes were casted seemlingly immediately to go Vedith out. Titus says she sees no problem with the wagon. Transcend says he just wants to kill someone who isn't AGar. Boem implies he's following the wagon as well. Shannon puts him at L-1 and Dunn hammers him without even knowing it.

Because Vedith flipped scum PR (Well done btw!), is it really fair to assume that all Titus, Trancsend, Boem, Shannon, and Dunn are all town? Would scum join that immediate wagon and kill one of their own? I think that's a question we have to start asking and I really don't see that being done. That act alone sheds a lot of info here. The counter to that (and I agree) is to start looking at the AGar wagon and the Titus wagon... those who did not join in that wagon and I highlight that two hour window because did everyone actually have a chance to cast a vote before it was too late? I think the focus is way too far into the Wake and Titus tunnels and cherry-picking... where as we need to work with what we know and ask the right questions.

Also, I'd like to highlight those who were voting Vedith before that night. AGar, Performer, PV, Zach, and I'll include beeboy because I don't think beeboy intended to start that two hour wagon. Isn't it reasonable to suggest one of these may very well be scum sitting on this wagon (not thinking it would escalate like it did)? Zach, since you were on Nos/Vedith for most of the game... I figured after the Dunn hammer that you'd be thrilled. Instead... here's your first post after the hammer.

....I was one of the original proprietors of this wagon..... I have nothing to do with any of this you all should feel bad

Hmm, you seemed pretty confident that Vedith was the right kill in D1. Why all of the sudden are you frustrated and claiming innocence when we killed the scum that you wanted us to kill? You're immediately attacking Dunn for hammering Vedith. Why is that? Didn't he do the job?

As far as the Lapsa kill - I agree with Zach on post 2885. You used one your bullet on night 1 on Lapsa? You mention your Lapsa/A50/Mir team that there's scum there. That could be the case, but according to the final D1 vote, NONE OF THEM were voted on. So you are going to use your bullet on one of them, hoping he'd turn scum and the rest of the town would immediately target A50 and Mir? That's a hell of a risk. I wish you had that bullet back now and gotten a little more information.

^ And this ^

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Holy fuck ENOUGH WITH THE UNPROVOKED FUCKING CLAIMS FOR FUCKS SAKE. It makes it fucking impossible to actually read this game because half of our time then devolves to "Hmmmm what to make of this claim." and half the time it's "Well, that person is just a dipshit."

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@Dunn

Please just shut the fuck up. So far your track record is:

1) Go along with mason fake-claim D1 unprovoked.
2) Hammered a player without realizing you were hammering. Regardless of flip, that was pretty dumb as shit.
3) Supposedly shoot someone N1 who was pretty obviously town off of a few factors D1.
4) Claim that shot unprovoked and for no good reason.
5) Try and be coy about why you shot that person. Instead, you've been superbly obtuse.
6) ????
7) There is no profit here.

Point is, if you are town, you are literally trying to be scum's biggest asset, as all you've done is throw discord into the fucking town left right and center. In fact, you've done nothing productive outside of your "A50/Mirhawk/Lapsa are scum you guys totez!!!!!1!!!!!111!!!1!!1!!!!ONE!!!!ELEVENTYONE!!!" which is... pretty shit. Just post every 48 hours and say "prod dodge" and you'll be doing us a lot more to help the town at this point. Because right now, you're a tumor.

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Seriously. What the literal fuck is this shit?

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Uh

{Titus, Varsoon, Agar, Beeboy, Transcend} These are town
{Wake} This may be town

>_> I got no scum reads.
Waiting on my main man Varsoon to come in!

^ Kill it. Once more, with fervor ^

Hey folks,

so I was doing a skim catchup before the servers crashed. Did a check of how d1 ended, I'm glad we got mafia scum. Not sure why there is Titus talking about reaction fishing while voting me - isn't the purpose of reaction fishing not supposed to be revealed that obviously?
Anyway , there have been irl commitments that are just getting in my way to properly continue contributing as a player in FM. I sincerely apologize but I'll have to replace out. I am town.

My honest apologies to the mod - I just don't believe I can stay invested as a player in FM games, the way my commitments are going on irl now. I have a number of wedding preparation events my friend has me helping out on, my career I'm doing overtime at, etc etc.

*head begins quivering with pure, unadulterated rage*

The "case" on Mirhawk is, what, exactly? I'm really not sold on anything other than him being fairly middle of the road right now. Someone break it down with links and shit and analysis, because I just read his ISO and was very meh about it, but not "Oh fuck this scumbag." There are better options.

VOTE: Performer

[Zachstralkita]

[Wake1]

It's like that awkward silence where the guy who realizes you have to look at past interactions Day 1 gets ignored even though he knows what he's doing.

WAIT NO WAIT. Don't look at early Nos-slot interactions. Might be dangerous!

Let's keep voting players NOT based on interactions with dead flipped Scum slot!

[Wake1]

Sits and waits for Varsoon.

HEY, don't just wait for Varsoon!

[Zachstralkita]

It's like that awkward silence where the guy who realizes you have to look at past interactions Day 1 gets ignored even though he knows what he's doing.

WAIT NO WAIT. Don't look at early Nos-slot interactions. Might be dangerous!

Let's keep voting players NOT based on interactions with dead flipped Scum slot!

Nos didn't interact with much of anyone IIRC. I know scum interacting with their partners is tell-y but what indication do you have that the people Nos DID interact with WERE his partners? There are scum that completely ignore them.

[Wake1]

It's like that awkward silence where the guy who realizes you have to look at past interactions Day 1 gets ignored even though he knows what he's doing.

WAIT NO WAIT. Don't look at early Nos-slot interactions. Might be dangerous!

Let's keep voting players NOT based on interactions with dead flipped Scum slot!

Nos didn't interact with much of anyone IIRC. I know scum interacting with their partners is tell-y but what indication do you have that the people Nos DID interact with WERE his partners? There are scum that completely ignore them.

I mean GOOD GRIEF why even look at players reactions REGARDING Nos Day 1?

I mean it makes NO SENSE.

It's too tough for our collective Town brains to, you know, work with the Scumflip...?

[Zachstralkita]

It's like that awkward silence where the guy who realizes you have to look at past interactions Day 1 gets ignored even though he knows what he's doing.

WAIT NO WAIT. Don't look at early Nos-slot interactions. Might be dangerous!

Let's keep voting players NOT based on interactions with dead flipped Scum slot!

Nos didn't interact with much of anyone IIRC. I know scum interacting with their partners is tell-y but what indication do you have that the people Nos DID interact with WERE his partners? There are scum that completely ignore them.

I mean GOOD GRIEF why even look at players reactions REGARDING Nos Day 1?

I mean it makes NO SENSE.

It's too tough for our collective Town brains to, you know, work with the Scumflip...?

???? Why do I have to hold your hand?

[Wake1]

It's like that awkward silence where the guy who realizes you have to look at past interactions Day 1 gets ignored even though he knows what he's doing.

WAIT NO WAIT. Don't look at early Nos-slot interactions. Might be dangerous!

Let's keep voting players NOT based on interactions with dead flipped Scum slot!

Nos didn't interact with much of anyone IIRC. I know scum interacting with their partners is tell-y but what indication do you have that the people Nos DID interact with WERE his partners? There are scum that completely ignore them.

I mean GOOD GRIEF why even look at players reactions REGARDING Nos Day 1?

I mean it makes NO SENSE.

It's too tough for our collective Town brains to, you know, work with the Scumflip...?

???? Why do I have to hold your hand?

HEY!

HEY.

Let's not talk about holding hands when you're not using Nos-flip and associatives, and you seem to be completely fine with the fake-Mafia claimed Vig who killed Town Lapsa.

[beeboy]

Sits and waits for Varsoon.

HEY, don't just wait for Varsoon!

I do what I want

I'll include beeboy because I don't think beeboy intended to start that two hour wagon.

I did I am just surprised people listened to me LOL

[Wake1]

I do what I want

I'm beginning to see that's part of the problem!

[Zachstralkita]

It's like that awkward silence where the guy who realizes you have to look at past interactions Day 1 gets ignored even though he knows what he's doing.

WAIT NO WAIT. Don't look at early Nos-slot interactions. Might be dangerous!

Let's keep voting players NOT based on interactions with dead flipped Scum slot!

Nos didn't interact with much of anyone IIRC. I know scum interacting with their partners is tell-y but what indication do you have that the people Nos DID interact with WERE his partners? There are scum that completely ignore them.

I mean GOOD GRIEF why even look at players reactions REGARDING Nos Day 1?

I mean it makes NO SENSE.

It's too tough for our collective Town brains to, you know, work with the Scumflip...?

???? Why do I have to hold your hand?

HEY!

HEY.

Let's not talk about holding hands when you're not using Nos-flip and associatives, and you seem to be completely fine with the fake-Mafia claimed Vig who killed Town Lapsa.

Can you elaborate on that? Do you remember just a little bit ago when day started when all you were doing was settling for tunneling Titus -- and vice-versa?

So you're talking about Dunn? So you think both Titus and Dunn are mafia supposedly? And you're doing what?

[Wake1]

Can you elaborate on that? Do you remember just a little bit ago when day started when all you were doing was settling for tunneling Titus -- and vice-versa?

So you're talking about Dunn? So you think both Titus and Dunn are mafia supposedly? And you're doing what?

If you're Scum you need to be careful with your wording because the game is still young! You might make my gut pang differently.

Titus' posts Day 1 were heavily associated with Nos. I don't know you and you might be a bit sub-par as Town but you should be able to see that Titus was saying and doing things regarding Nos.

It's like you didn't read 2752.

I can't tell but at least one of you/Titus/Dunn has got to be Scum. I CAN'T TELL.

[Zachstralkita]

Dunn thought Lapsa was scum -- you and I most likely thought that was bullshit but I can perfectly see why he thought that

The important thing is what both of the claims mean -- Dunn claimed Vig but was Jailkept and it means someone ELSE targeted Lapsa

Dunn no longer has a shot -- His pool of three included Lapsa, Mirhawk, and A50

Lapsa is dead and town, no surprise

A50 claimed JK and I believe it more than I believe any of the shit that's been going on this game because he's townier than most by a long shot

Mirhawk is the closest thing to a non-bullshit choice out of the three in that pool, you throw enough darts at the fucking board and you're going to hit something


I don't see A50 or Dunn's claims as scum motivated to be quite honest, maybe they could have been done more tactfully or not done at all, but they're done now.

But you do not need me to help you look into Nos-associatives. Why could you not have done your research and reported back? All that first post you made seemed to do was implicate Titus....

Can you elaborate on that? Do you remember just a little bit ago when day started when all you were doing was settling for tunneling Titus -- and vice-versa?

So you're talking about Dunn? So you think both Titus and Dunn are mafia supposedly? And you're doing what?

If you're Scum you need to be careful with your wording because the game is still young! You might make my gut pang differently.

Titus' posts Day 1 were heavily associated with Nos. I don't know you and you might be a bit sub-par as Town but you should be able to see that Titus was saying and doing things regarding Nos.

It's like you didn't read 2752.

I can't tell but at least one of you/Titus/Dunn has got to be Scum. I CAN'T TELL.

I don't give a fuck how your gut pangs dude, you're probably wrong on all three counts.

[Zachstralkita]

You trust your gut? You wanna see where it leads you? I triple fucking dog dare you. The problem with you guys is you all think you're fucking hotshots, and maybe I do too, but if we play chicken I'm not moving a fucking inch. So maybe get a different pool of three and start coloring names again lol, cause that one kinda sucks.

[Dunnstral]

I'M WILLING TO MOVE

Nobody has a GOOD reason to get performer

[Dunnstral]

Zach wants to get performer because he's replacing out is basically the core part of his case

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Performer

[Zachstralkita]

I'M WILLING TO MOVE

Nobody has a GOOD reason to get performer

It hasn't been 48 hours and your post doesn't say " prod dodge "


Seriously throw me a bone here I am trying to save your life

Zach wants to get performer because he's replacing out is basically the core part of his case

ya except i specifically said that WASN'T the case I just felt like doing something again

It's like you didn't read 2752.

I can't tell but at least one of you/Titus/Dunn has got to be Scum. I CAN'T TELL.

Yeah. I didn't read the post I quoted from about three times. Hold up. I'm finding this quote for you.

" Handwriting is NAI "

Yeah, no shit. Did you, Wake and Dunnstral study criminology together? LMFAOO

Man, if you were scumhunting when the Zodiac Killer was active we would have caught him in no time.

VOTE: Performer

So you did throw me a bone but you did it in the same breath where you shade me in some form as usual. Well, beggars can't be choosers.

[implosion]

I agree that Nos associatives are important but it's not like there's a simple way to just look at all of the player->Nos-slot interactions like there is for looking at the Nos-slot->player interactions through ISO; the former is tantamount to rereading all of d1. And it's not like people aren't doing it at all; I analyzed Mirhawk's interactions with the slot.

I don't think that analyzing the Lapsa kill is likely to be useful, for multiple reasons (the main one simply being that he claimed macho and so could very easily have been targeted simply for that).

[Wake1]

You trust your gut? You wanna see where it leads you? I triple fucking dog dare you. The problem with you guys is you all think you're fucking hotshots, and maybe I do too, but if we play chicken I'm not moving a fucking inch. So maybe get a different pool of three and start coloring names again lol, cause that one kinda sucks.

Unless you're an alt you really

don't

give the impression that you know what you're doing.

I find it really odd how Day 2 on you keep saying I'm Town yet you find every opportunity to not listen to me and fight against me when I'm trying to get you and everyone else to look at how players behaved early game when it came to Nosferatu. I don't understand why you're doing that. Either you're really, really obtuse, or you're Scum. I mean why else won't you listen? And it doesn't help that Titus and Dunn seem to want to ignore how players defended/pursued Nos early game, either. Look at who actively wanted to lynch him, and who pretty much took him off the table no ifs and or buts. But it's like you just ignore that. I don't know if you're Town and playing dumb, or what. Why won't you listen? Town's expected to be pliable, but you don't even want to work with me and see all the early behaviors

toward

,

about

, and

regarding

Nos/Ved slot.