New York 196: My Game, My Flavor Mafia (Mafia Win)

[Dunnstral]

3) Supposedly shoot someone N1 who was pretty obviously town off of a few factors D1.

Did you ever indicate that you thought Lapsa was town day 1?

[Dunnstral]

Unless you're an alt you really

don't

give the impression that you know what you're doing.

You're worse

[Wake1]

I agree that Nos associatives are important but it's not like there's a simple way to just look at all of the player->Nos-slot interactions like there is for looking at the Nos-slot->player interactions through ISO;

the former is tantamount to rereading all of d1

.

I took a good stab at it in 2752.

I don't think people fully appreciate that we actually have a Scum flip this early in the game.

How many players realize just how valuable that really is? Far, FAR more valuable than a VT flip.

[Zachstralkita]

I don't think that analyzing the Lapsa kill is likely to be useful, for multiple reasons (the main one simply being that he claimed macho and so could very easily have been targeted simply for that).

That's defeatist.Well there's plenty of people who weren't likely to be first picked as protective role target choices, if you catch my drift. Scum could have targeted any one of them. Unless, they happened to be one of them. You unfortunately fall into this category. Hey, if it makes you feel better, I'm probably in it as well. I'm sure some people want me dead a little bit. Not because I'm useful though, god no.

You trust your gut? You wanna see where it leads you? I triple fucking dog dare you. The problem with you guys is you all think you're fucking hotshots, and maybe I do too, but if we play chicken I'm not moving a fucking inch. So maybe get a different pool of three and start coloring names again lol, cause that one kinda sucks.

Unless you're an alt you really

don't

give the impression that you know what you're doing.

I find it really odd how Day 2 on you keep saying I'm Town yet you find every opportunity to not listen to me and fight against me when I'm trying to get you and everyone else to look at how players behaved early game when it came to Nosferatu. I don't understand why you're doing that. Either you're really, really obtuse, or you're Scum. I mean why else won't you listen? And it doesn't help that Titus and Dunn seem to want to ignore how players defended/pursued Nos early game, either. Look at who actively wanted to lynch him, and who pretty much took him off the table no ifs and or buts. But it's like you just ignore that. I don't know if you're Town and playing dumb, or what. Why won't you listen? Town's expected to be pliable, but you don't even want to work with me and see all the early behaviors

toward

,

about

, and

regarding

Nos/Ved slot.

Your main point out of that is that Titus and Dunn are scum.

I don't believe either one of those to be true. Because me believing that would mean both of them are scum to me, and I do not believe that is possible FMPOV.

And Town can be wrong, Town can be dead wrong. I don't have to listen to you if I think you're wrong.

[Wake1]

Unless you're an alt you really

don't

give the impression that you know what you're doing.

You're worse

[Zachstralkita]

Wake for a solid chunk of Day 1 you had a thing for Titus due to the mason claim shit and your gut. It just looks like you saw the scumflip, saw Nos' posts,

all 12 of them

, and then carried that thing on into Day 2. Do not talk to me about pliable.

[Dunnstral]

Your main point out of that is that Titus and Dunn are scum.

Best part is he keeps shoving it my face like I'm supposed to analyze it

Like ok

[Wake1]

Wake for a solid chunk of Day 1 you had a thing for Titus due to the mason claim shit and your gut. It just looks like you saw the scumflip, saw Nos' posts,

all 12 of them

, and then carried that thing on into Day 2. Do not talk to me about pliable.

If you're Town I'm asking you to listen.

It's not just about his 12 posts.

It's also about what the other players were saying and doing.

[Zachstralkita]

sorry, I'm just in too many games.

replacing out

rip my replacement for having to read through all this.

pedit: or you guys could lynch me, that could happen too.

Is this an invitation? This doesn't sound towny.

that's a loaded question. If you guys were still looking for scum, ^^^^^.

Like, you could have inferred he was doing some super WIFOM shit here and Boem was his partner from this post. Which I'd believe over Titus/Dunn - it actually seems like it could be the truth

Wake, you're totally not working with me and

clearly

you're not seeing ALL the early behaviors

toward

,

about

, and

regarding

Nos/Ved slot.

[Dunnstral]

Guess what






What if Nos didn't talk to his partners at all?

12 posts

[Dunnstral]

"What other players were saying and doing"

OK but...

I hammered vedith in the end ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

And I was trying to figure out Titus on my own and you were butting in the way

[Wake1]

Again, you two are not listening.

It's not just about his posts.

It's also about the other players' actions that have things to do with that slot, and what they said about Nosferatu/Vedith.

[Dunnstral]

OK.

Show me other players actions that aren't Me, Titus, or Zach and I'm all ears. What did you want to point out?

[Zachstralkita]

sorry, I'm just in too many games.

replacing out

rip my replacement for having to read through all this.

pedit: or you guys could lynch me, that could happen too.

Is this an invitation? This doesn't sound towny.

that's a loaded question. If you guys were still looking for scum, ^^^^^.

Cool cool let me break this one down for you I may not have covered all the bases with that last post

the Nos/Ved slot

[X] Toward

[X] About

[X] Regarding



[X] Applesauce @Transcend

Unless you're an alt you really

don't

give the impression that you know what you're doing.

So if I were an alt I

would

give the impression that I know what I'm doing? You can say that without knowing who I would be an alt of? Who would I be an alt of?

"What other players were saying and doing"

OK but...

I hammered vedith in the end ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Be completely honest if our roles were reversed and I said this to you you would make about 8 posts on how that is not a valid reason

And I was trying to figure out Titus on my own and you were butting in the way

Nah you can't say this either, you went along with the mason shit, you assumed she was town or you're handing Wake a free lynch card and if you keep talking like that it just might slip into his hands

[Zachstralkita]

Dunn, scum can hammer fellow scum. That statement was obtuse as a fucking angle and I'm going to reiterate that

I know how you play but these other people don't scumread you out of thin air

[Wake1]

"What other players were saying and doing"

OK but...

I hammered vedith in the end ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

And I was trying to figure out Titus on my own and you were butting in the way

You did hammer Vedith in the end, yes.

Any cautious Townies knows the action itself doesn't 100% make you Town or Scum. I once hammered my teammate on page 10.

What I'm trying to say is that we need to ask ourselves questions regarding the Scum flip.

What did Lapsa think of it? He's dead, and Town. Did he suspect it? Defend it? If he suspected and/or pushed it, did any player get in his way or try to distract him? These are important questions. Who was willing to lynch the slot very early on? Zach was. In itself that sorta tells me he's Town because why would he want to kill his partner so very quickly without provocation? Yeah, I once hammered my teammate extremely early and capitalized on it but I don't think that's very common, especially in a large game.

[Wake1]

OK.

Show me other players actions that aren't Me, Titus, or Zach and I'm all ears. What did you want to point out?

Well for one did you know that implosion early on was worried about Nos in 295?

Also Scum-Nos implied he had bad vibes on implosion and peregrine went and agreed with that false sentiment.

When I was arguing with you around 840 Nos interjected on your behalf, defending you.

Boem was taken aback in 966 about Transcend thinking Nos was Town, like Boem was questioning it.

Performer did question Lapsa once about having problems with the Scum-slot.

Lapsa clearly had Nos at the bottom of his list and called him a lurker. Lapsa's a piece of the puzzle and we should search for player reactions to Lapsa for more clues.

[Wake1]

On their own, each of these little puzzle pieces mean little, but when you start fitting all the little pieces together it can make a difference.

[Dunnstral]

Boem was taken aback in 966 about Transcend thinking Nos was Town, like Boem was questioning it.

This is an actual scum tell in my mind. Though I was townreading Boem I'd be willing to take another look at him

Well for one did you know that implosion early on was worried about Nos in 295?

Also Scum-Nos implied he had bad vibes on implosion and peregrine went and agreed with that false sentiment.

OK but that could be nothing and I don't see any implications here

When I was arguing with you around 840 Nos interjected on your behalf, defending you.

Yeah we should definitely take a closer look at that

...

Well, just consider me as not mafia and think about what this interaction could mean for other people

Performer did question Lapsa once about having problems with the Scum-slot.

Lapsa clearly had Nos at the bottom of his list and called him a lurker. Lapsa's a piece of the puzzle and we should search for player reactions to Lapsa for more clues.

First part may be something depending on what actually happened

[shannon]

Unless you're an alt you really

don't

give the impression that you know what you're doing.

You're worse

OK I have a theory and I'm pretty sure it's going to be shot down by a grown up but I want to try it out.

Titus is a bulletproof mafia traitor and Dunn is regular mafia.

How I arrived at this (and point out any flaws as you see them, there are heaps I'm sure).

1) Newbie games are 9:2 with a smattering of PRs, so I extrapolated from that to get 19:3 or 19:4 in this one
2) I speculated about what the roles would be, based on what's flipped and what has been claimed. I feel like I shouldn't go in to detail in case it's anti town but will if you want (I'm probably wrong anyway)
3) I think we are looking at a 'half mafia' player for balance, i.e. the traitor role
4) Titus claimed Masons with Dunn, with no way of knowing (if Titus is town) what Dunn's role is. I think this could actually be a way of Traitor Titus letting the main mafia faction know who she is. I think Titus might only know who one of the mafiosi is, not both of them, so she tried to save what she saw as the beginnings of a Dunn wagon using a strategy so implausible no one would believe it
5) This fits with Titus's claims that she can't tell us why Dunn is town without breaking the rules - what she's really saying is that she knows Dunn is scum but can't say why without revealing her role PM
6) Titus' early play, to me, fits the 'bad townie' role, and she has now toned it down I think after losing the other scum
7) I do think this could be, as Zach says in 872, the best scum gambit of 2016

Thoughts?

[Dunnstral]

...

[Dunnstral]

I'm pretty sure it's going to be shot down by a grown up

So... you're like a little kid?

1) Newbie games are 9:2 with a smattering of PRs, so I extrapolated from that to get 19:3 or 19:4 in this one

Games are balanced around 13 players, 10 town 3 mafia all the time. Suggesting that we have SIXTEEN town and three mafia is silly
(Note: There is 19 players in this game, not 19 town)

2) I speculated about what the roles would be, based on what's flipped and what has been claimed. I feel like I shouldn't go in to detail in case it's anti town but will if you want (I'm probably wrong anyway)
3) I think we are looking at a 'half mafia' player for balance, i.e. the traitor role

So we have:

Miller
Macho town
Jailkeeper
1-shot Vig

Mafia Naepolitan

As claims
And from that you got "mafia bulletproof traitor"

I mean it's fine to assume there's 5 mafia with one being a traitor (though that's pretty strong in scum numbers) but don't act like the roleclaims point to traitor when they don't

4) Titus claimed Masons with Dunn, with no way of knowing (if Titus is town) what Dunn's role is. I think this could actually be a way of Traitor Titus letting the main mafia faction know who she is. I think Titus might only know who one of the mafiosi is, not both of them, so she tried to save what she saw as the beginnings of a Dunn wagon using a strategy so implausible no one would believe it
5) This fits with Titus's claims that she can't tell us why Dunn is town without breaking the rules - what she's really saying is that she knows Dunn is scum but can't say why without revealing her role PM

How does a mafia traitor claiming mason with a mafia member let mafia know that they're the traitor, and not some random townie?

6) Titus' early play, to me, fits the 'bad townie' role, and she has now toned it down I think after losing the other scum

As opposed to you, who's been playing the bad person role by trying to get people modkilled?

Nothing you've done has contributed to town (except the vedith quickwagon). I bet you'd like to think you have, but you've only served to muddy the waters
(annoyingly, I'm pretty confident that you are town)

7) I do think this could be, as Zach says in 872, the best scum gambit of 2016

Thoughts?

You ignored, or forgot, that I also claimed 1-shot vig.

Here's my thoughts:

1. Start over without being tunneled on me and Titus.
2. The scum team isn't me and Vedith with Titus mafia traitor in a 19 person game. Point out things other people have done
3. In post 3012 you're sheeping me. What made you change your mind since then?

[Dunnstral]

Nah you can't say this either, you went along with the mason shit, you assumed she was town or you're handing Wake a free lynch card and if you keep talking like that it just might slip into his hands

I was talking about day 2.

Of course you were butting in with him so

[Transcend]

big stupid game

[Dunnstral]

fos: Transcend