In post 257, BNL wrote:So you unvoted me to give me the "benefit of the doubt", but here were the posts I made before you unvoted me:In post 227, Postie wrote:In post 226, Aristophanes wrote:but what about your townread on Elyse?^In post 205, Postie wrote:I think she's town but it's more of a gut thing at the moment. I just get weird protesty vibes from her posts that feel town somehow.
51 was bad. BNL is bad a lot but that post is like scum-bad.In post 226, Aristophanes wrote:Your scumread on BNL?
Just finished a marathon game where he was scum and his reasoning was similarly bad so I'm no longer willing to give him the benefit of the doubt right now.
VOTE: BulletNLynchproof
His 171 felt like contrived garbage.In post 226, Aristophanes wrote:Your change from that to GL?Can you tell me what's that about "benefit of the doubt"?In post 188, BNL wrote:What are you referring to that isn't useful?In post 162, GuiltyLion wrote:I don't think this is necessarily a scummy thing, but I also don't see how it's useful. Can you just give me some thoughts about his original Elyse push or his switch to Fire Assassin?In post 157, BNL wrote:It's mainly because he's new, and this makes me have a tendency to mark what he does as NAI. I'm planning to hold off reading him until after a while (~7 days into D1).
I found 67 unnatural due to the vote attached. He was already scumreading Elyse, so why only vote her then? Can't tell if the "was going to do that earlier" part is genuine. Though I do know that newbies do this in general (check Asphodel's h_a case in recently completed Mini 1791), so doubting its scumminess.
I didn't agree with 149 that Fire's 147 was "giving up". Though it just seemed like he didn't understand that it was a joke.
Postie, please answer my questions.In post 261, BNL wrote:I am also agreeing with duppin here that Postie seems to be discouraging the Ari wagon subtly... but the Postie/Ari conversation at the top of page 10 definitely doesn't look like scum/scum interactions.In post 253, duppin wrote:I still don't get the point. It sounds like you're trying to discourage me from voting on Aristo for no apparent reason. I honestly don't think your post makes much sense, so I ask you gain, what was the point of it?In post 246, Postie wrote:In post 245, duppin wrote:I'm honestly not sure what to think of this post. You agree that this does not seem like his townplay, so where exactly are you going with this?In post 244, Postie wrote:I agree but I see little reason to suppose this is scum!Aristo as opposed to just different!Aristo.
Postie, can you explain what "different Aristo" means?
54In post 265, duppin wrote:Back to? Does that mean you had a townread on me earlier? If so, could you explain why it changed please.In post 262, BNL wrote:Duppin can be back to town.
It seems like I missed that post, my bad.In post 304, BNL wrote:54In post 265, duppin wrote:Back to? Does that mean you had a townread on me earlier? If so, could you explain why it changed please.In post 262, BNL wrote:Duppin can be back to town.
You went back to null because you started being lurky. You are now town again because I liked your weird push on Aristo for not voting Postie.
Why do you say that you like your vote on Ari even though he was at L-1?In post 298, TellTaleHeart wrote:Alright-y, I'm about to go to sleep but I am all caught up on reading the thread.
Quick thoughts: I like GuiltyLion for town and I still like my vote on Ari. I would be good with that or a Postie lynch.
The reason I found this suspicious initially is because I thought I saw some contradictions in her posts, but it turned out that I just got confused when she mentioned wagons a lot in different contexts.In post 307, BNL wrote:Her other reason that can justify this is "lack of a counterwagon". I'm currently unsure about this, but will look into this now.
What's the relevance of him being at L-1 to how much I like the vote?In post 309, BNL wrote:Why do you say that you like your vote on Ari even though he was at L-1?In post 298, TellTaleHeart wrote:Alright-y, I'm about to go to sleep but I am all caught up on reading the thread.
Quick thoughts: I like GuiltyLion for town and I still like my vote on Ari. I would be good with that or a Postie lynch.
Did you just ask someone if they are scumreading the person they are voting for?In post 313, Fire Assassin wrote:TTH you scumreading Ari?
How was that question a potshot? I do agree, that question was bad and I am feeling very lazy as of late and that isn't what I am tryign to do with this account. It just a general thing going on with this being hard to get into.In post 315, TellTaleHeart wrote:Now I'd like to hear why that's even a question for you because the only thing you've done with me this game is give me these weird potshots.
And I'm going to give you my answer for a second (or third?) time: I agree this doesn't feel like Aristo's townplay, but it also doesn't feel like his scumplay, so my 244 was me pointing out the flaw in your logic if you were scumreading him for it.In post 301, duppin wrote:I'm going to ask you for the third time (or fourth?), what was the purpose of #244?
I assumed your vote was a serious vote, not a pressure vote. It would have helped if you'd have said this earlier. Your vote wasn't accompanied by any attempts to engage Aristo, which is what I'd have expected from someone trying to put pressure on him, and so it came across more like an opportunistic jump onto his wagon and/or vote parking. Which is why I called you out on it.In post 301, duppin wrote:I fail to see the town motivation behind it. Basically what you said was that you agreed this wasn't his town game but just him playing differently, which honestly just implies that he could be either alignment. That is correct.
Seeing as you agree it isn't his town game, don't you think it is a good idea to pressure him to get a better read? I thought so, apparently you did not because otherwise I do not see why'd you post that.
If not having a read on a player is fencesitting then I guess I was fencesitting.In post 301, duppin wrote:I felt like you were trying to discourage me from voting on him but on the otherhand you weren't willing to commit to a townread. Seemed a bit like fencesitting.
I didn't. I disagreed with your vote on him because I didn't like the reasoning behind it.In post 301, duppin wrote:But if that is the case, please explain why you thought he was town at the time? Because the posts you brought up in #279 all came after #244, so obviously they couldn't have been part of your initial gut read on him.
Why?In post 301, duppin wrote:Anyway, I still find Aristo suspicious
In post 242, Elyse wrote:239 pings me so hard. The overjustified, apologetic unvote of Bullet, the slight shade at Postie, the ridiculous defense of Bullet at the end when you were voting him like two posts earlier.
That was such an awkward and complete backoff of Bullet for "towny toned posts that you missed". Like are you even reading the game? You've "missed" a crazy amount of posts.
I wouldn't be surprised with a Bullet/Aris scumteam.
BNL, explain to me why I should believe this isn't an opportunistic scum-jump. Because that's exactly what it looks like.In post 311, BNL wrote:UNVOTE: Wingback
VOTE: Postie
I actuallyreallywant to move here now, despite earlier strong townpoints on her.
Previous points, and I thought your defense was like "ohh you are such a hypocrite" and you came to believe I was a VI, which tends to be what a scum would do in that situation I think. It might be more confirmation bias on my part, but I think your reaction you thought you were being scumread for bs reasons, even though you have scum role pm.In post 319, Elyse wrote:Why are you scumreading me again?
