Mini 1805 [C'est fini!]

[MarioManiac4]

I'm Vt, catching up after forum was down.

[Dwlee99]

I'm Vt, catching up after forum was down.

>not even l-1

[Sméagol]

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I'm hearing the site was down for 28 hours.
Deadline is

09-07-2016 00:00:00 CEST

((expired on 2016-07-09 00:00:00)).

[Creature]

Okay, that's better.

[Creature]

MM4 and crazy

Enough time for you both start posting thoughts.

[MarioManiac4]

@2127, when establishing fact I only need one piece of certain evidence. Someone gave intent to hammer btw

[Eggman]

I won't be here when the deadline happens, so I'm going to VOTE: MM4.
He reacted to my intent to hammer when it was actually Intent to L-2, and claimed VT because of it. Although he could probably be VT, we need a lynch today, and I think MM4 would be better than Crabman.
Also, Smithereens.

[Eggman]

Please don't quickhammer MM4, by the way! Announce intent first, and give a time to when you actually will hammer.
Alright, see you guys at 6.

[Dwlee99]

7 and a half hours. Still preferring crazy.

[F-oh-ex]

7 and a half hours. Still preferring crazy.

QFT

[Creature]

I'm Vt, catching up after forum was down.

@2127, when establishing fact I only need one piece of certain evidence. Someone gave intent to hammer btw

Can't believe this is all you got to say.

[Creature]

But at least you have the balls to say you will catch up rather than flake out like crazy.

[MarioManiac4]

Just to be clear, because I think you referred to me among others, by saying "Creature and Crab are mutually exclusive scumreads" I mean that I have a scumread on both of them but I do NOT see them as partners so one of them flipping scum would be a towntell for the other one in my eyes.

Yes. So if Crabman flips scum, then we can call Creature town.
(Of course, I forgot about MM4. If that lynch gets traction, I'll support it, because Smithereens.)

Why are you jumping on my wagon over something that's easily explained.
To clarify; Smithereens was top of the playerlist so I started there, but I changed my mind once I realised I wouldn't get through everyone in one night. So I reviewed my previous scumread and players who had been subject to attention in the past, intending to then move onto the present.

[MarioManiac4]

wtf

If you're townreading atm487, why you want to policy lynch him later?

you don't understand this? really?

[MarioManiac4]

This post is a bit of a mess, so apologies in advance. I just don't have time to organize my thoughts or my post right now very clearly.

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From MarioManiac4's catch-up posts:

->

a.)

In Post #1002 I do not agree with his summarization of Derek12's play. MarioManiac4 paints Derek12 as spending all of his time pursuing crazycrabman ("he doesn't seem to be posting about anyone but crab"), while Derek12 has very clearly been poking at other players and asking them questions. He also states that Derek12 seemed to push the Eggman wagon at it's peak, and that does not appear to be true at all.

I agree that Eggman seemed much more involved and proactive in Celestia Mafia at a glance (and see below).

And I do agree that crazycrabman claiming to have a "strategy" is concerning in itself (since by and large, only scum really think about "strategies" to get through the Day). But I think this comes down to the use of the word "strategy"; I think "playstyle" is more accurate for what crazycrabman is describing.

->

b.)

I also don't understand why Smithereens was included (and then not analyzed) by MarioManiac4. He later mentioned that Smithereens was "first on the playlist," but if that was the determining factor I would think he would continue going down the playlist, which he did not do.

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c.)

In Post #1105, MarioManiac4 criticizes Creature for trying to meta Eggman from "1 game," which is a strange criticism seeing as MarioManiac's analysis of Eggman just earlier seemed to be based on "1 game" (Celestial Mafia).

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While scanning Eggman's posts in Celestial Mafia (see above), I came across a couple interesting tidbits:

Biscuitoid: He's just giving me newbie vibes. True Neutral. (Although, claiming VT on Day 1 is a bad bad move, for future reference.)

Claiming VT is useless. I don't know about you guys, but as a mafioso I would never claim VT.

I am a Vanilla Townie. Oh, only other acceptable time for VT to claim: in "roleclaim or die", or LYLO.

From the looks of it, Eggman was eventually run up Day One, claimed Townie, and eventually hammered himself in order to help Town achieve a lynch. On the one hand, given the above quotes, I am less inclined to think Eggman is scum in this game. But on the other hand, Eggman really

was

much more proactive and helpful in that game than this one. Eggman, could you please elaborate on your thoughts of claiming Vanilla Townie on Day One? And if you do not think it is acceptable to

claim

Townie on Day One, why do you think it is acceptable to

crumb

Townie on Day One?

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Additionally, Creature, I noticed you were scum in that game, so I trust you are more familiar with Eggman's play. Do these quotes from Eggman influence your opinion of him? Did you remember them while playing this game?

a- There was notes for different times. At the start he was mostly just pursuing crabman, but he did do other things too.
b- Explained this in a post I just made, if anyone's too lazy to look back I started with Smith, didn't think I would finish and resolved to put out my contribution to past discussions.
c- Wasn't analysis, simply a fact I checked.

[MarioManiac4]

Intent to Hammer: MM4

If he's town, that would reluctantly make me townread Smithereens, who I've had suspicion on all game. If not, hooray.

This is the post I claimed for fyi. I was on phone at that time.

[MarioManiac4]

I'm Vt, catching up after forum was down.

@2127, when establishing fact I only need one piece of certain evidence. Someone gave intent to hammer btw

Can't believe this is all you got to say.

It isn't really. I just dont have much access at GMT evening/night.

[MarioManiac4]

If anyone's here I'd appreciate it if you could post so I can discuss live. It actually sorta helped when I was on at the same time as robb. If it was in the past it'd be hard to analyse but in the current moment it appeared town to me.

[MarioManiac4]

I notice you're online Creature.

[Robbnva]

I'm here but don't have much to say atm. You have been active lurking all game and the posts you have made don't make me feel better about your slot.

[Creature]

Yes, I am online.

[Creature]

I am up to lynch crab over you currently.

[MarioManiac4]

I'm here but don't have much to say atm. You have been active lurking all game and the posts you have made don't make me feel better about your slot.

Do you believe "active lurking" is actually useful? To me it's really just a bland buzzword. I couldn't find a foothold in the game and everything just looked neutral, so I've never got that involved. But you wave the word around as if it's a cop guilty.

[Robbnva]

Well I'm the wrong person to ask because I'm very black/white on most things scummy. If I see somebody do something a townie shouldn't do I think they are scum. Your actions I can't possibly imagining coming from town. Town are supposed to be active (not you) helpful (not you) scum hunting (not you) pressuring people (not you) and directly interacting with people (again not you)

Your attempt now to directly interact with people is too little to late. So I won't be changing my mind on you. My vote is staying on you and if you flip town I'm really going to be pissed AT YOU for having so little respect for this game that you played like shit to the point we had to mislynch you instead of doing what you should have done from the beginning.

[Robbnva]

I'm watching a movie now. I have nothing more to say to you