Micro 622: Queen Mafia GAME OVER

[TellTaleHeart]

If I die, you lynch in GL/TTH. No exceptions.

That

is

an excellent nightkill pool.

[Elyse]

@FA

You also still haven't addressed that you called narrowing my scum pool to four horrible despite it being a normal, helpful thing to do. Why did you do that?

[Postie]

Btw, I'm more sure on GuiltyLion for scum than TellTaleHeart, and fairly sure BNL and duppin aren't partners.

Your possible pairings, from most to least likely, are...
GL/TTH
GL/duppin
TTH/duppin
TTH/BNL
GL/BNL

[Aristophanes]

Postie, why is your scumread on GL so strong? It appears most of your disagreements have been semantically rather than actually scummy things,and I think he's been very town this game.

What has he done that's actually scummy? Because I don't see it at all.

[Postie]

Postie, why is your scumread on GL so strong? It appears most of your disagreements have been semantically rather than actually scummy things,and I think he's been very town this game.

What has he done that's actually scummy? Because I don't see it at all.

Hard to explain but his scumread on me feels super opportunistic and fake. I just can't see town!GL scumreading me here at all.

[Postie]

I guess what I'm trying to say is town!GL isn't

this bad

.

[Postie]

Anyone have some TTH town games they can link me?

[Aristophanes]

Anyone have some TTH town games they can link me?

I just went to get one, but apparently I've only played with TTH when she Hydras. Well, until now at least!

[Aristophanes]

Postie, why is your scumread on GL so strong? It appears most of your disagreements have been semantically rather than actually scummy things,and I think he's been very town this game.

What has he done that's actually scummy? Because I don't see it at all.

Hard to explain but his scumread on me feels super opportunistic and fake. I just can't see town!GL scumreading me here at all.

I guess "Opportunistic" is the buzzword of the game, eh.

What about it is opportunistic? He has clearly had an escalating scumread on you. He voted you when he decided the case on me wasn't as good as he thought (which I see from town more often than not).

[TellTaleHeart]

Anyone have some TTH town games they can link me?

You were there for JK9++.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=66008

[Postie]

What about it is opportunistic? He has clearly had an escalating scumread on you. He voted you when he decided the case on me wasn't as good as he thought (which I see from town more often than not).

Which just happened to be as there was a wagon building on me.
It's more that the way his read on me comes across as fake is making it stand out as opportunistic though. Most of his reasoning feels so shoehorned and unnatural and unlike anything I can actually see town!GL coming up with.

[Elyse]

Why would GL hop off the Aris wagon when it was at L-1 to vote you if both you and Aris are town?

[Postie]

Why would GL hop off the Aris wagon when it was at L-1 to vote you if both you and Aris are town?

Because I'm scumreading him?

[Postie]

(and Ari isn't)

[Elyse]

Ok...

Idk I don't see scumGL hopping off an Aris mislynch that was about to happen where he would have gotten no heat, to a Postie mislynch where he will get heat. Especially since (no offense) you don't have the influence to get him lynched with your scumread on him.

TownGL changing his mind seems much more believable.

[Postie]

If I'm right about GL/TTH then them swinging an L-1 wagon over from someone townreading GL to an L-1 wagon on someone scumreading both of them makes perfect sense.

[Elyse]

Ok

[GuiltyLion]

Ari I want your opinion on likely scum!Postie partners

[The Show Must Go On]

Votecount 1.16:

Postie (4): duppin, BulletNLynchproof, GuiltyLion, TellTaleHeart
Aristophanes (1): Elyse
Elyse (1): Fire Assassin
Fire Assassin (1): Wingback
BulletNLynchproof (1): Postie
Wingback (0):
GuiltyLion (0):
TellTaleHeart (0):
duppin (0):

Not Voting (1): Aristophanes

With 9 alive it's 5 to lynch.

Day ends in (expired on 2016-07-12 17:00:00).

Song:

Queen: Love of My Life

Notes:

Love this live version!

[BNL]

Haven't had time to thoroughly read through what has happened yet, but I don't want Postie at L-1 yet.

[BNL]

UNVOTE: Postie

[duppin]

And I'm going to give you my answer for a second (or third?) time: I agree this doesn't feel like Aristo's townplay, but it also doesn't feel like his scumplay, so my 244 was me pointing out the flaw in your logic if you were scumreading him for it.

I'm sorry what? That's honestly a pretty bad argument. Basically you're saying my logic is flawed if I'm scumreading Aristo for not playing his towngame? Just because it doesn't feel like his usual scumplay does not mean I can't find it suspicious.

I assumed your vote was a serious vote, not a pressure vote. It would have helped if you'd have said this earlier. Your vote wasn't accompanied by any attempts to engage Aristo, which is what I'd have expected from someone trying to put pressure on him, and so it came across more like an opportunistic jump onto his wagon and/or vote parking. Which is why I called you out on it.

I kind of understand what you're saying, but when I voted I clearly stated "this does not feel like your town game", so I was hoping for him to engage me and ask why and then take it from there, which happened.

As for it being an opportunistic vote I called him out in one of my very first posts, where I said I disliked his play. I also asked him several questions before voting on him, so I'm not sure why you find my vote to be more opportunistic compared to some of the other voters. Please note that this is not really a read I agree with, but from your pov I just think it seems a bit strange.

And to be honest I don't really agree that I should say that I'm just doing this for pressure.

If not having a read on a player is fencesitting then I guess I was fencesitting.

But your post gave the impression you thought he was town and later on you claimed you had a gut town on him.

I didn't. I disagreed with your vote on him because I didn't like the reasoning behind it.

Why? Him not playing his town game = most logical conclusion is he is not town. Is he playing his scum game? Not sure, can't tell yet. I decide to pressure him because I believe that will help me read him. If he is town, I expect I'll get to see it doing this, if not then I think he is most likely scum.

I sincerely can not understand how you can dislike the reasoning. It sounds like you are reaching the conclusion that him not playing his town game or scum game (which I can't tell yet) makes him more likely to be town and that's the logic I don't get.

Why?

Because nothing he has done so far has made me change my read. The only thing that makes him less suspicious is that I think it is unlikely you two are together and I find you more suspicious.

[duppin]

Btw, I'm more sure on GuiltyLion for scum than TellTaleHeart, and fairly sure BNL and duppin aren't partners.

Your possible pairings, from most to least likely, are...
GL/TTH
GL/duppin
TTH/duppin
TTH/BNL
GL/BNL

I'd like to hear your read on all the players listed here, including me. I do know you've already said a couple of things, but I would really like just one post with your actual reads.

Like I find it difficult to follow your read on GL, because you're basically calling him scum for scumreading you. I mean at the moment the majority of the game seems to be scumreading you, so why is it a scumtell for him?

[duppin]

I do think it is possible you are town, but I don't think your play has been towny at all and I simply can't understand the motivation behind what you did with Aristo. I'll gladly admit that I'm perhaps reading a bit too much into it. That does not really change the fact that I find your play rather suspicious. I also feel like you're OMGUS'ing quite a bit, but I could be wrong so I'd really like to hear your reads.

[BNL]

Sure. But I'm town.

I don't know about that

I was townreading you

But not anymore

I think the scumteam is within this group of four:

Aris, FA, Postie, NBL

But then again the Wingback slot is a mystery so idk

Okay your scum team is in a group of four players, when their is nine players total in the game. You have just slightly below 50% of the player base in your group of possible scum.

I really think that is horrible on every level.

That is actually likely from town though Elyse, so maybe I am wrong.

Huh? Did you just say that Elyse is scum then immediately say that Elyse is town?