Open 647: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

[SirCakez]

It's town desperation posting p sure

[MURDERCAT]

VOTE: Transcend

Yeah OK it's just Transcend, he wouldn't be ignoring me otherwise

Note: DixC voted me because my slot was "tied to the hip" with podoboq

and his progression doesn't make sense

VOTE: DixC

Let's get him please, look at 1093

Throwing votes around like this?

[Dunnstral]

BECAUSE transcend is either dumb town or just mafia

DixC is obvious scum though and you really need to look at his interactions with me from the time I replaced in to the end of the day (and with other people, read all that stuff with DixC in mind)

[MURDERCAT]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p8025023

Here's Dunn calmly being hammered nearly 200 pages into a game.

[Dunnstral]

Yeah and you being wrong about my alignment and not listening to what I was saying, too

[MURDERCAT]

Maybe, I still carried the game and got you a win so

[Dunnstral]

So are you going to carry this game by going straight to DixC and Aneninen if I get lynched?

[SirCakez]

Switching a vote once isn't really throwing votes around

[MURDERCAT]

Anyway, Dix and Dunn are both scum I think. Notice how Dix is a strong town read until Dunn is afraid he is going to flip, then suddenly he's "obv" scum.

[MURDERCAT]

Cake come on, are you for real? 2 posts apart? You scum too? I need to go reread the last game...

[Dunnstral]

Dix and Dunn

SO

VOTE DIXC PLEASE

[MURDERCAT]

I would lynch Dix today, but not with you leading it.

[Dunnstral]

Stop being picky and obtuse

Transcend is leading the vote on me, so you think he's town or what

Great, let's get DixC

[SirCakez]

Cake come on, are you for real? 2 posts apart? You scum too? I need to go reread the last game...

it's like he's thrown six different votes....

[MURDERCAT]

Cake I want you to lay out exactly what about Dunn's posting today makes you think he is town.

[SirCakez]

It's not his posting today, it's his posting yesterday
Also he's the counterwagon to scumscend

[MURDERCAT]

You said his posting today was town desperation, I want you to explain what makes you think that please. Especially in light of the game I posted where he did not flail at all as town.

[Dunnstral]

I'm not voting Transcend. I want to get DixC (and willing to get anenenin too but just really want DixC)

[SirCakez]

I think it's town desperation because I think he's town for other reasons, thus the desperation is probtown. It's not the desperation itself that looks town.

[MURDERCAT]

I'm getting ~~vibes~~

[SirCakez]

some mysterious vibes you got there

[MURDERCAT]

Spoiler: VCA if you believe claims

karnos

(4): DixC, PenguinPower, Transcend, SirCakez

Ranger

(2): Aneninen,

karnos

MURDERCAT

(2):

Smithereens

, drmyshottyizsik

Maruchan

(2):

MURDERCAT

,

podoboq

Aneninen

(1): Maruchan

podoboq

(1): Chip Butty

Not Voting

(1):

Ranger

Maruchan

(3):

MURDERCAT

,

podoboq

, SirCakez

SirCakez

(2):

Smithereens

,

karnos

karnos

(2): PenguinPower, drmyshottyizsik

drmyshottyizsik

(1): DixC

Aneninen

(1): Maruchan

Ranger

(1): Aneninen

podoboq

(1): Chip Butty

Not Voting

(2):

Ranger

, Transcend

Maruchan

(3):

MURDERCAT

,

podoboq

, SirCakez

SirCakez

(2):

Smithereens

,

karnos

karnos

(2): PenguinPower, drmyshottyizsik

drmyshottyizsik

(1): DixC

Aneninen

(1): Maruchan

Ranger

(1): Aneninen

podoboq

(1): Chip Butty

Not Voting

(2):

Ranger

, Transcend

podoboq

(5): Chip Butty, drmyshottyizsik,

MURDERCAT

,

Smithereens

,

karnos

karnos

(2): PenguinPower,

podoboq

drmyshottyizsik

(1): DixC

Aneninen

(1): Maruchan

Ranger

(1): Aneninen

Maruchan

(1): SirCakez

Not Voting

(2):

Ranger

, Transcend

drmyshottyizsik

(3): DixC,

Smithereens

,

karnos

podoboq

(3): Chip Butty,

MURDERCAT

, PenguinPower

karnos

(2):

podoboq

, drmyshottyizsik

Smithereens

(1): Transcend

Aneninen

(1): Maruchan

Ranger

(1): Aneninen

Maruchan

(1): SirCakez

Not Voting

(1):

Ranger

Ranger

(3): Aneninen, DixC, Maruchan

Smithereens

(2):

MURDERCAT

,

karnos

drmyshottyizsik

(2):

Smithereens

, Chip Butty

MURDERCAT

(2): Transcend,

podoboq

Maruchan

(1): SirCakez

Not Voting

(3): drmyshottyizsik, PenguinPower,

Ranger

Smithereens

(3):

karnos

, SirCakez, Transcend

Ranger

(3): DixC, Maruchan, PenguinPower

drmyshottyizsik

(2):

Smithereens

, Chip Butty

PenguinPower

(2):

Ranger

,

MURDERCAT

SirCakez

(1): drmyshottyizsik

MURDERCAT

(1):

podoboq

podoboq

(1): Aneninen

Not Voting

(0):

None.

Smithereens

(4):

karnos

, SirCakez, Transcend,

MURDERCAT

Ranger

(3): DixC, Maruchan,

podoboq

drmyshottyizsik

(2):

Smithereens

, Chip Butty

podoboq

(2): Aneninen, PenguinPower

SirCakez

(1): drmyshottyizsik

PenguinPower

(1):

Ranger

Not Voting

(0):

None.

Smithereens

(3):

karnos

, SirCakez,

podoboq

podoboq

(3): Aneninen, PenguinPower,

MURDERCAT

Ranger

(2): DixC, Maruchan

Aneninen

(1):

Smithereens

drmyshottyizsik

(1): Chip Butty

Transcend

(1): drmyshottyizsik

MURDERCAT

(1): Transcend

PenguinPower

(1):

Ranger

Not Voting

(0):

None.

MURDERCAT

(4): Transcend, DixC,

karnos

,

podoboq

podoboq

(3): Aneninen, PenguinPower,

MURDERCAT

Smithereens

(1): SirCakez

drmyshottyizsik

(1): Chip Butty

Transcend

(1): drmyshottyizsik

Aneninen

(1):

Smithereens

Ranger

(1): Maruchan

PenguinPower

(1):

Ranger

Not Voting

(0):

None.

podoboq

(4): Aneninen, PenguinPower,

MURDERCAT

,

Ranger

MURDERCAT

(3): DixC,

karnos

,

podoboq

Aneninen

(2):

Smithereens

, drmyshottyizsik

Smithereens

(2): SirCakez, Transcend

drmyshottyizsik

(1): Chip Butty

Ranger

(1): Maruchan

Not Voting

(0):

None.

Smithereens

(6): SirCakez, Transcend,

podoboq

,

MURDERCAT

, Maruchan,

Smithereens

podoboq

(3): Aneninen, PenguinPower,

Ranger

MURDERCAT

(2): DixC,

karnos

Aneninen

(1): drmyshottyizsik

drmyshottyizsik

(1): Chip Butty

Not Voting

(0):

None.

Smithereens

(6): SirCakez, Transcend,

podoboq

, Maruchan,

Smithereens

,

karnos

podoboq

(3): Aneninen, PenguinPower,

Ranger

Maruchan

(2):

MURDERCAT

, drmyshottyizsik

drmyshottyizsik

(1): Chip Butty

MURDERCAT

(1): DixC

Not Voting

(0):

None.

Smithereens

(5): SirCakez,

podoboq

, Maruchan,

Smithereens

,

karnos

podoboq

(3): Aneninen, PenguinPower,

Ranger

Maruchan

(3):

MURDERCAT

, drmyshottyizsik, DixC

drmyshottyizsik

(1): Chip Butty

Not Voting

(1): Transcend

Smithereens

(5): SirCakez,

podoboq

, Maruchan,

Smithereens

,

karnos

podoboq

(4): Aneninen, PenguinPower,

Ranger

, drmyshottyizsik

Maruchan

(2):

MURDERCAT

, DixC

drmyshottyizsik

(1): Chip Butty

Not Voting

(1): Transcend

podoboq

(5): Aneninen, PenguinPower,

Ranger

, drmyshottyizsik,

Smithereens

Smithereens

(4): SirCakez,

podoboq

, Maruchan,

karnos

Maruchan

(2):

MURDERCAT

, DixC

drmyshottyizsik

(1): Chip Butty

Not Voting

(1): Transcend

podoboq

(6): Aneninen, PenguinPower,

Smithereens

,

Ranger

, DixC, drmyshottyizsik

[L-1]

Smithereens

(5): SirCakez,

podoboq

, Dunnstral,

karnos

, Transcend

[L-2]

drmyshottyizsik

(1): Chip Butty

Dunnstral

(1):

MURDERCAT

Not Voting

(0):

None.

podoboq

(5): Aneninen, PenguinPower,

Smithereens

,

Ranger

, DixC

PenguinPower

(4):

podoboq

,

MURDERCAT

, Transcend, SirCakez

Smithereens

(2):

karnos

, drmyshottyizsik

drmyshottyizsik

(1): Chip Butty

Ranger

(1): Dunnstral

Not Voting

(0):

None.

PenguinPower

(6):

podoboq

,

MURDERCAT

, Transcend, SirCakez, Chip Butty, Aneninen

(L-1)

podoboq

(3): PenguinPower,

Smithereens

,

Ranger

Smithereens

(2):

karnos

, drmyshottyizsik

drmyshottyizsik

(1): DixC

Ranger

(1): Dunnstral

Not Voting

(0):

None.

podoboq

(6): PenguinPower,

Ranger

,

Smithereens

,

podoboq

, Aneninen, drmyshottyizsik

PenguinPower

(4):

MURDERCAT

, Transcend, SirCakez, Chip Butty

Smithereens

(2):

karnos

, Dunnstral

MURDERCAT

(1): DixC

Not Voting

(0):

None.

Smithereens

(5):

karnos

, drmyshottyizsik, PenguinPower,

podoboq

, SirCakez

Dunnstral

(3):

Ranger

,

Smithereens

,

MURDERCAT

Aneninen

(2): DixC, Dunnstral

Not Voting

(3): Aneninen, Chip Butty, Transcend

Smithereens

(7):

karnos

, drmyshottyizsik, PenguinPower,

podoboq

, SirCakez, Transcend, Dunnstral

(LYNCH)

Dunnstral

(5):

Ranger

,

Smithereens

,

MURDERCAT

, Chip Butty, DixC

Not Voting

(1): Aneninen

[MURDERCAT]

Transcend you can sheep me btw

VOTE: Dunnstral
He is scum with Transcend
Thatpost

We know that if someone gets an early game run it's likely because scum are involved. Do not think me ignorant here, i know that there is a high likely hood that we have more village in our sites than mafia. I knew not to hammer Penguin because of this, I knew not to hammer smith because of this. I made some noise so I could get some votes moved around and sift through where players would go.

From this we have a good sense that ranger's list is reasonable:

{Murdercat}
{karnos, Aneninen, Persivul, Chip Butty}
{DixC, podoboq, PenguinPower}
{SirCakez}
{VOTE: Dunnstral, Transcend}

Just look at the scum-trains, the ISO, and my God the hammer!

^backing of until we hear from others (perhaps more N1 cops/docs?)
VOTE: SirCakez

DixC and cake are scum together I'm like 95% sure.

And no, it has nothing to do with my last post.

For post game gloating:

{Cake, DixC, Dunn}

is your scum team.

[MURDERCAT]

Oops..

Ignore the quotes for now.

[MURDERCAT]

Spoiler: ~~~~~vibes~~~~~

Imo Maruchan did well to get this game rolling. You could at the very least be a tad grateful. I dislike Sircakez calling it a big ball of fluff when literally it's one of the only posts made thus far that has attempted to progress the game. Why is Maruchan a big ball of fluff but nobody else is?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SirCakez

It was fluffy because it was all a big fencesit. It didn't really progress the game at all and I'm not sure why you think it did.
DixC's vote on Shotty for the dog story was really terrible as well.

It was a terrible vote, i;e made no sense as reasoning for a vote. Jury's still out as to whether it was from scum or town.

I implied it might be because Ranger can be lazy as scum (my experience with her suggests this is the case).

Lazy is literally my playstyle.

Where do you think I got into the habit of posting nothing but readslists in the first place?

Why do I feel like you're barely doing anything here?

Because I'm barely doing anything here?

Ranger, comparing post rates and updates I see a significant difference in this game: what are some queries that might help you out here?

Mostly, talking to others. I suppose talking to me is not without benefits, but I can't think of anything. Like I said, largely reactionary.
{karnos, Aneninen}
{SirCakez}
{Smithereens, shotty, Chip Butty, Murdercat}
{DixC}
{Maruchan, Transcend}
{podoboq, PenguinPower}

Scum read: too lazy to do work but so not-lazy that you'll work on telling people that you're lazy? Also preternatural lack of lazy basis for good outcomes... crazy, yes, lazy, no.

Town Read:Not concerned enough with my question to actually answer it. Has podoboq at bottom of the list.

On the one hand, this game is off to a very slow start.
On the other hand, I'm curious to see how ranger's read lists look with such a small sample of posts to read from.

Whut?
As the first post on Page2?

Maruchan's 27 is forced. Scummy.
Murdercat has noticed it in 28. Good. Townish.

VOTE: karnos
game to slow? let's get a wagon rolling!

L-2

La wow! If Maruchan's scum, Shotty's scum too.

and an inconsistency worth owning up to.

Hate to be that guy, man, but that looks an awful lot like coaching.

No, I'm saying that he should have owned up to it. He didn't. He defended the inconsistency, and it's the fact that he didn't own up to it that's a problem.

WTF? I made the point about taking pressure of in #50. #51 was unrelated, from Karnos. And that quote I said could have been coaching was in #52. Shooty didn't reply at all to #50, but you say he defended the inconsistency??? That's BS, pure and simple.
Now you are definitely on my scumdar.

Parrot Bebop.

Podoboq seems to be flailing, eg. 56.

{karnos}
{SirCakez}
{Aneninen, Murdercat, Smithereens}
{Chip Butty, shotty}
{Maruchan, DicX, PenguinPower, Transcend}
{podoboq}

Ranger's town again. Good to know.

scum read: is scum if maruchan and shorty are scum
town read: is not scum if Ranger is scum

OK, so Maru is basically obv town to me. If you don't understand why, try treading what he posts. If it still doesn't make sense to you, slap yourself in the face three times, then ask me why, and I'll spell out for you how Maru is being the most supportive of pro-town play and showing the most opposition toward people who are showing anti-town play.

Scum read: is scum
Town read: is scum

What the heck does this mean?

What makes you dislike that post Ranger?

...Stuff.

I know that's a cop-out (no pun intended, given the setup) answer, but I'm actually not in the state of mind where I can answer. Just getting caught up in all of my games and going to sleep for tonight. (I'm planning on putting more attention into them over the weekend.)

Pls do more then.

I'll do more when I feel like it. (And have energy for it, which I don't, but the feeling like it is just as important.) I currently do not.

Why aren't you happy with the Smithereens wagon?

Karnos is pushing murdercat for looking like he's just trying to look busy.
I'm pushing murdercat for looking like he's just trying to look busy.
Murdercat says Karnos is probably town, but I'm coming up with BS reasons to push him, when Karnos and I have the same reason to push him.

There is an inconsistency there.

I don't think Murder is trying to look busy, he is getting wagoned after all...

My reads are mostly the same. Transcend has moved to my town pool for really obvtown posting over the last few pages. Maru and Podo have also moved into my townpool.

So townpool = (Maru, Podo, Transcend)
Scumpool = (Smith, Dix, Penguin)

So Dix is Penguin and Smith's scum buddy looks like

No surprise Podo has me low, i've had him marked as scum forever.

Smith didn't go after Penguin, nor did anyone else that could have hammered Penguin.

The probability of there being two-three scum in this list is high:
podoboq,
MURDERCAT,
Transcend,
SirCakez,
Chip Butty,
Aneninen

The probability of there being one scum in this list is moderate:
PenguinPower,
Smithereens,
Ranger,
karnos,
drmyshottyizsik,
Dunnstral

That literally only makes sense if both Smith and Podo are scum and I'm willing to bet my life that at least 1 is town.

Now this is telling. Not that MurderCat is on the side of pod or smith, but that murdercat is trying to imply a discordance between he two so large that he is 100% certain.

The only way to be so certain is to 1) lie or 2) know because you are scum.

Based on what we know we should restrict our kill to someone on this list:

podoboq,
MURDERCAT,
Transcend,
SirCakez,
Chip Butty,
Aneninen

OMG
We can't hold a wagon together on anyone *facepalm*
Penguin's posting was terrible but the wagon in him dissolved for...no reason. That's a big scum tell.

Still stand by Penguin/Six/Smith scum team
I'm hammering Smith in the morning

How the hell did Smith wriggle out of that yet again?
VOTE: Smithereens

Dunnstral slot is town pretty sure
Maru's posting was gross at times but I think Dunn's posting has been transparently town

Are you scum??

I'm at 90% on Cakes being scum

VOTE: Dunstral

Smith has too many votes for comfort: If you aren't evil move over to Dunstral.