Open 647: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

[karnos]

OK. Concentrate on DixC today, and cop check Aneninen.

Does "concentrate" mean lynch?

Isn't DixC a claimed n2 cop? If we are going to give anyone a stay, it would make sense to give a claimed cop an extra night to work before lynching them, rather than an equally likely scum without the claim.

Based on my recent read-through, I really don't see where the case is on aneninen. Is there anything particularly scummy he did that I should be looking at?

[Persivul]

This is DixC's second game on the site, and I am pretty sure his first game is still ongoing. So I don't see this as a scum indicator, I think it's just his playstyle from the previous forum he played on, where town players were a bit more rash with hammering and waiting for a claim almost never happened.

That would have been a reasonable response - coming from him. Coming from someone else, not so much.

[Persivul]

VOTE: Transcend

ok that's true

UNVOTE:

VOTE: DixC

Oops

L-2

VOTE: Dunn

Three votes in 6 hours is something I expect early on D1. D2 it isn't helpful.

[MURDERCAT]

Well I was on DixC just to see if anyone on the wagon would get cold feet, we are lynching Dunn today. I switched to transcend momentarily because it looked like a huge scum slip. My reads haven't been changing.

[karnos]

That would have been a reasonable response - coming from him. Coming from someone else, not so much.

I played with him on the previous forum, so I wanted to share my perspective. And frankly I disagree, if it was just his word, he could be lying or at the very least biased.

I have no stake in DixC, and he is even on my radar as a likely scum, but NOT because of his early claim.

[Persivul]

I individually reached the conclusion that Ranger is very probably not mafia

How did you reach that conclusion?

[Persivul]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: podoboq

^^ i like this guy, why did he get l-1'd ^^

'cause he text-walled against accusations that deserved less than a line.

VOTE: Ranger I'm concerned that your preternatural capabilities are not on display this game.

I noticed after, is a pronoun error a major taboo?

Ranger, comparing post rates and updates I see a significant difference in this game: what are some queries that might help you out here?

It's concerning that you claim to be voting her based on meta, but haven't been here long and don't know her gender.

[Persivul]

VOTE: Transcend

Yeah OK it's just Transcend, he wouldn't be ignoring me otherwise

Transcend

might

be town though

Why not come start a DixC wagon? Pretty sure he's blatant scum

What changed with Transcend in that time?

[Persivul]

DixC is obvious scum though and you really need to look at his interactions with me from the time I replaced in to the end of the day

That's what I'm doing. At first you seemed better, as you were sticking to your reads despite dix's requests to vote multiple people. But then you apparently quickhammered, and you've been flailing so far today.

[Persivul]

Calling it now for post game gloating:

{DixC, Penguin, Shotty}

I too think Shotty's scum.
Conflicted on Podoboq. Because of his lame claim and the whole Smith/Podoboq situation. (In case of one town, one scum there, there would have been a lynch by now.)

I'm not sure whether we're doing the right thing but a NoLynch would definitely be worse.

F-cking town: Murdercat, ChipButty, Karnos
Townish: SirCakez, Smithereens, Ranger
No idea yet: Transcend, DixC
Ghhhhhhh: Maruchan, Shotty
Scummy and needs to meet pigeons: Penguin, Podoboq

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Podoboq

Aneninen is flailing around and isn't even the one being voted...

Seriously? Anen voted podo ~1,000 posts ago, then 600 posts later changed too "conflicted," and that's your evidence that he's flailing around?

[Persivul]

those posts have nothing to do with my comment, by the way

NM about above.

[Persivul]

I played with him on the previous forum, so I wanted to share my perspective.

Do people bus a lot on that forum?

[PenguinPower]

I played with him on the previous forum, so I wanted to share my perspective.

Do people bus a lot on that forum?

Yes.

[MURDERCAT]

Penguin, what is your thought on the explanation for Transcend's slip, that he just thought that it was split evenly? In fact, what are your thoughts about anything that has happened today?

[PenguinPower]

I'm 50/50 on whether or not it was legit and he thought it was split evenly. On the one hand, he has been shown to be brash and post without thinking, making it likely he just assumed 5 and 5. On the other, I find it really hard to read the initial instructions with that split.

My reads so far:

{Murdercat}
{karnos, Aneninen, Ranger, podo}
{DixC, Persival}
{Cakez, Trans}
{Dunnstral}

I hate what Dunn did in regard to "joke posting" N2 Cop. Not sure I believe it...but it'd be even worse if he was town and felt like doing that. I also don't get why he's pushing DixC - well maybe DixC a little - and Anen. I really don't understand pushing Anen. Based on Dunn and Cakez interactions, and Cakez assertions, I think if Dunn is scum - which he is - Cakez is scum. I also think Trans is scum, but could just be dumb. Still iffy on that one.

[PenguinPower]

UNVOTE: Transcend
VOTE: Dunnstral

Believe that is L-2.

[MURDERCAT]

I think the Dunn joke is NAI based on playing with him. The flail is all scummy though.

[SirCakez]

when dunn flips town I'mma slap all these people who are like "hurr durr cakez/dunn scum team"

[Chip Butty]

My reads so far:

{Murdercat}
{karnos, Aneninen, Ranger, podo}
{DixC, Persival}
{Cakez, Trans}
{Dunnstral}

I'm feeling left out...

[PenguinPower]

My reads so far:

{Murdercat}
{karnos, Aneninen, Ranger, podo}
{DixC, Persival, Chip}
{Cakez, Trans}
{Dunnstral}

I'm feeling left out...

Ah...dammit. Knew I forgot something.

There you go...shhh...shhh...it's okay. Don't cry.

[Persivul]

when dunn flips town I'mma slap all these people who are like "hurr durr cakez/dunn scum team"

Why should I town read dunnstral?

[podoboq]

So I'm pretty sure none of the n1 claim group (Ranger/Murdercat, Karnos/me) are worth considering wagonning today.

I think it'd be poor form to lynch one of the people who's claimed a n2 action, but if we're going to just make that a rule, there's nothing stopping the next L-1 from claiming n2 cop.

Incoming readslist. If you'd like me to elaborate on any of these, I will. I just didn't want to wall too hard.

THE CLAIMED N1 GROUP

Spoiler: Ranger

I withold a scumread on Ranger independent of her claim, but that read happens to be waning. Maybe the fact that my read is shifting is confirmation bias.

Spoiler: MURDERCAT

Basically confirmed in my eyes. Not going to strongly consider the possibility of scum. If Ranger is scum gambiting, I don't think Murdercat was the correct target.

Spoiler: karnos

karnos is one of those weird players to me where I trust him basically implicitly because he seems to be playing an incredibly protown game. That scares me, because I worry that it will make me blind to him if he's actually scum. In case I'm not making myself clear enough, I townread karnos hard, but I'm wary of him because if he's scum, I know I'll have a hard time seeing it. If he is scum, he's been buddying me very well.

Spoiler: podoboq

n5 cop

PEOLE WITH N2 CLAIMS
Unfortunate that these are both of our prospective lynches for the day. One of the claims is probably fake, but I don't think it's worth trying to weasel out which is which today.

Spoiler: DixC

Refer to earlier reads. I have never liked his participation in this game. I

am

inclined to believe his claim, though.

Spoiler: Transcend

Less inclined to believe Transcend's claim, but I read Transcend as nulltown in comparison.

EVERYONE ELSE

Dunnstral
Chip Butty
Persivul
PenguinPower

SirCakez

Aneninen

I will do some ISOing at some point to justify (and potentially change) these, but I wanted to get something on the page for people to actually look at. Anen obviously needs the most justification, but I'm planting my vote there for now.

VOTE: Aneninen

[SirCakez]

when dunn flips town I'mma slap all these people who are like "hurr durr cakez/dunn scum team"

Why should I town read dunnstral?

because his posting yesterday was transparently town
he's been kind of flaily today but I think he's town desperate to try to push his scumreads through over him

[MURDERCAT]

More cakez. Show how it's transparently town.

[SirCakez]

[Chip Butty, Karnos, Transcend, Smithereens, DixC]
[SirCakez, podoboq, drmyshottyizsuk]
[Aneninen, MURDERCAT, PenguinPower]
[Ranger]

Not lynching smithereens/podoboq today please

Ranger's reads are really bad

VOTE: Ranger

Aneninen/MURDERCAT/PenguinPower all scummy

The top tier there is leantown

[Chip Butty, Karnos, Transcend, Smithereens, DixC]
[SirCakez, podoboq, drmyshottyizsuk]
[Aneninen, PenguinPower]
[Ranger, MURDERCAT]

I want Ranger or Murdercat today, let's flip the votes, what you guys have going here is terrible

what's up with the vanity vote on Ranger?

podoboq is town

smithereens is maybe maybe

Ranger is mafia

Care to join me?

These quotes are some examples
I don't think he'd attack these pretty widely townread players (murdercat, ranger) as scum, it invites backlash onto him (and he did get that backlash)