New York 195: Adventure Mafia - Game over!

[cytheflyguy]

The yolk's on you. I like egg ^^

[zakk]

Egghead

[zakk]

Stop egging me on I could go all day

[zakk]

Oh you wanna stop posting I bet that's cause you're outta egg jokes

[zakk]

/in b4 "eggzactly"

[cytheflyguy]

eggtually, I can crack open so many more puns, but I fell your brain will get a bit runny after reading them all. These puns were over easy to think of.

[zakk]

hhahahahahaha okay shit you win dr. dre

[MagnaofIllusion]

Back from V/LA …

I see nothing much has happened in interim other than Nahdia actualizing her Innocent Child role. Nice.

Actually that revelation makes me rethink where I was on game balance.

Waiting on Egg before I say any more …

[Egg]

Sorry, game was at night when I went on my vacation to Kentucky/Ohio so I didn't get to announce my V/LA. Will have some time on Thursday. Might try to do more before that.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Before you disappear for three more days claim your role so we move forward ...

[Egg]

VT

[zakk]

welp. your turn magna.

egg, do you want replacement?

[Egg]

No. I don't do that.

[MagnaofIllusion]

welp. your turn magna.

Did you seriously post this? I've already been claimed as of Day 1 - I'm a Neighbor.

[zakk]

Waiting on Egg before I say any more …

egg has come

egg has posted

egg has claimed

now it's your turn to "say more"

[zakk]

No. I don't do that.

who do you think is scum.

[Nahdia]

OK.

With no other investigative roles, I'm inclined to believe Titus quite frankly. Which would clear Cy, which makes things easier.

Here's my concern. If Titus is scum there's a decent likelihood Cy with scum with her. Meaning the only remaining scum would be the scum inside the neighborhood (Liger/Magna).

That bugs me because I guess objectively it would be better to lynch in Liger/Magna but from a confidence perspective, my strongly preferred lynch is projectmatt :\

[MagnaofIllusion]

So first things first – let’s talk set-up:

Flipped Roles –

Innocent Child – Nahdia
2 Shot Commuter – Kop
2 Shot Vigilante – Lowell
Even Night Rolestopper – Untrod
Neighbor - Copper, Persivul
VT – KTS, ETL, Brawl, Expedience, Nosfertu, Ircher

Mafia Encyptor – Anen

1 Shot BP Serial Killer – Shaz

Claimed Roles –

Neighbor (Confirmed by each other as far as being in the Hood) – Liger, MoI
Odd Night Neopolitan – Titus
VT – zakk, Egg, Projectmatt, Cy

Looking at the claims there is no-one not already clear who can be considered so. The inclusion of an Innocent Child role means Titus’s claim can be a scum Neopolitan (or some other role). She’s experienced enough to know that Neopolitan is rare enough to not necessarily draw a counter-claim if she’s fake-claiming. The only reason I wasn’t giving her more scrutiny is that Town looked a bit light on balance without an Investigation role. However an Innocent Child alters that analysis greatly.

Cy is probably Town. The is a chance he was “cleared” by his partner if Titus is scum but I find that to be a less likely scenario.

Assuming you buy scum in the Neighborhood (which I do) you have a scum team that sets us as

Encryptor
Neighbor
????

Encryptor is a fairly powerful role given it allows for day coordination which in a game this size is more potent given the length of Days and general size of the thread. Neighbor his neutral (as it is for Town) on balance points.

I can see Titus as a Scum Neopolitan given the 6 flipped VTs (with 4 more claimed with most likely 3 of them actually VT) that scum has to hunt for Town PRs.

If she’s not scum then given the volume of Town PRs with an IC I think that last scum role is a full strength Roleblocker type.

In any case the only way more than 1 of zakk, Egg, Project or Cy is scum is if Liger is Town and Titus is Town. And in that case 2/3 of zakk, Egg, Project are scum.

[Nahdia]

The thing is, the even-night rolestopper being town means that was included as some sort of counterplay to a scum ability. So either Titus is an unlimited Neapolitan lying to us about her limitations (definitely possible) or the last scum is some other form of investigative.

[MagnaofIllusion]

The thing is, the even-night rolestopper being town means that was included as some sort of counterplay to a scum ability. So either Titus is an unlimited Neapolitan lying to us about her limitations (definitely possible) or the last scum is some other form of investigative.

Um, no. Rolestopper actually is a defensive Town role first and foremost. It prevents the target from being killed. The ability for it to stymie a secondary Mafia ability (like an investigation or roleblock) is a nice bonus. Rolestopper is a Doctor on steroids who beats the shit out of anyone else who tries to mess with his patient.

So the conclusion on that follows is not necessarily valid.

[zakk]

1. why would titus get a scum neapolitan instead of just a role cop (there are already some other

2. her claim of odd-night neapolitan makes perfect setup sense with even-night rolestopper from a setup creation standpoint

3. odd-night anything for scum would be weird, especially since there's already a town even-night flip

so basically she's either WAY MORE LIKELY a goon than a neapolitan... or... she is what she says she is

and if she's a goon then she took a chance on claiming a VT result on cytheflyguy (if he's town) because if he wasn't a VT he would have called her out unless he was scum with her, when she could have easily claimed she was blocked again on N3 which would have been the safe play, and

but simple logic dictates she is what she says she is, especially since she

a. claimed odd-night BEFORE shotty claimed even night

b. claimed AT ALL (she didn't need to in that situation, she did it to get Kop lynched since she didn't believe the 2-shot claim)


so either titus is playing SUPER BALLSY SCUM

or she's just town. and so is cy.


BONUS: me wanting to lynch town the entire game is a SUPER STRONG REASON i'm probably alive right now


titus is town.

and you doubtcasting her at this point doesn't look like a town play.

[Nahdia]

The thing is, the even-night rolestopper being town means that was included as some sort of counterplay to a scum ability. So either Titus is an unlimited Neapolitan lying to us about her limitations (definitely possible) or the last scum is some other form of investigative.

Um, no. Rolestopper actually is a defensive Town role first and foremost. It prevents the target from being killed. The ability for it to stymie a secondary Mafia ability (like an investigation or roleblock) is a nice bonus. Rolestopper is a Doctor on steroids who beats the shit out of anyone else who tries to mess with his patient.

So the conclusion on that follows is not necessarily valid.

Oh, really? I was under the impression a rolestopper specifically did not block kills.

Still, with the only investigative claiming to be odd night while the rolestopper was even night; why not just make it a doctor???

[zakk]

most probable solution is that mafia has a roleblocker and two goons left, perhaps a godfather but idk what that'd show up to a neapolitan as.

basically we just line people up and shoot them, and we have to get all 3 right.





actually wait, i see no reason why titus wouldn't die last night though, so there's that.

if scum didn't block her then they SHOULD have killed her.

[Nahdia]

I would look at the wiki but it keeps defaulting to tigerskin there for some reason and i can't get it to stop -___-'

[MagnaofIllusion]

Still, with the only investigative claiming to be odd night while the rolestopper was even night; why not just make it a doctor???

Why not make other roles different roles? Ask Cakez post-game.