Open 646 - Semi Nightless - Game Over (D6)

[Transcend]

Also I have no idea why, but everyone has a knack for mistyping my username.

PEDIT: i don't care if someone else foses my townread. like you said we're all gonna have different reads this game. his vote on io wasn't scummy to me, even though i think it's wrong.

[Transcend]

motherk double post

[Luna Fox]

I agree it's wrong, i think its probably some misunderstanding/misrepresentation going around and i mentioned that earlier, but i wanted to know your opinion.

[Transcend]

ok

[Io]

Unless you think Thor & I are the sort of players who would bus each other day 1.

Io, is this and post #70 what lead you to believe that Karnos is adamant about Thor's lynch? If not, could you tell me what I missed?

Karnos, how are you reading Thor at the moment?

Yes.
He's still a scum read, and that vote on me is just stupidly grasping for something to take pressure off of him by his terrible reasoning as to why I am wrong about how I think.

[Thor665]

Karnos does look a little flaily to me, but he does appear to have a valid point that you're stretching in your value calls on his stated beliefs.

[Rosske]

wow i had no idea this started.

VOTE: Thor665

Just gut.

I'll answer questions tomorrow if thats still a thing.

[Transcend]

welcome to the game rosske.

only gut???

do you have any reasons in this game to support your vote?

[Rosske]

not yet! only gut!

also 64 and 119 in juxtaposition

[Transcend]

So, Thor, the vote on Karnos was just RVS?

No - what part of 'I townread you' is confusing?
You are a townread.
You're voting Karnos.
Ergo, if I'm right about you, statistically by voting who you vote I'm more likely to target scum.

HOLY FUCK THIS POST IS 20 LEVELS OF AWFUL

VOTE: Thor

[Killthestory]

i'm glad you people saw what I saw many pages ago.

[Transcend]

well this died. hi people.

[Luna Fox]

It's only been 6 hours since KTS's post, chill.

[Transcend]

just a bit annoyed this was my only day off this week from work lol.

[karnos]

Unless you think Thor & I are the sort of players who would bus each other day 1.

Io, is this and post #70 what lead you to believe that Karnos is adamant about Thor's lynch? If not, could you tell me what I missed?

Karnos, how are you reading Thor at the moment?

Thos *is* acting scummy, though not as much as Io, and I only have one vote.

The problem I have with Thor is his logic is inconsistent. He thinks his read is so good he can trust you as town after only a couple posts. Okay, maybe his read is so good, but if you accept that he is so good at reading people, then shouldn't he pick his own scum to vote, based on his amazing reads? Instead he chooses to sheep you. It's like he is saying he is so good at reading people that he is 100% convinced you are town, but at the same time he isn't confident enough in his reads to independently vote on his biggest scum read. It's a weird inconsistency to me.

There is one perfectly logical conclusion, is that he read you as town and I was his biggest scum read, and that would make perfect sense... but when he was questioned about his vote, he didn't say that was the case... he just said he was sheeping you. It's like he doesn't want to take personal responsibility for the vote, doesn't want to be associated with it. He wants to support the wagon on me but give himself a nice out after I flip town.

[karnos]

@Karnos Why did you post #70?

After giga voted me for not liking my answers, I was just thinking about my last game with a questionnaire, where some players skipped it entirely. \

If players know the questionnaire will be used to call them scum, but there is no penalty at all for skipping it entirely, then there is a bit of an incentive to just ignore the questionnaire, rather than answer it. Which makes the whole thing kind of silly and useless.

[karnos]

And interestingly enough, in that newbie game, the first scum we found was one of the players who refused to answer the questionnaire.

[Luna Fox]

Yeah karnos might be town. 139 looks like newbtown attitude to me.
One question tho, do you seriously think that Scum!Thor would vote you just as a sheep and say that he's sheeping and make himself the center of attention like that? I'm not sure how good Thor is or isnt as scum, but i don't think an experienced player would make that kind of move, so im on the fence there.

I already explained my thoughts regarding the sheep, because i think it makes more sense if that's what actually happened.

[karnos]

One question tho, do you seriously think that Scum!Thor would vote you just as a sheep and say that he's sheeping and make himself the center of attention like that?

Do I think it's possible Thor is scum? Absolutely.

Do I think he is obviously scum and nothing will ever convince me otherwise? Not yet. It's still really early in Day 1, nothing is really set in stone at this point.

Part of the game is voting your scum tell, seeing how they respond, seeing how the react at L-1, seeing how other players react, etc. If you try to tip-toe around the whole process and say things like "I'm not really sure X is scum" you don't put the same pressure on the player, and you get weaker reactions or none at all because the player knows he isn't actually in any serious danger of being lynched.

In this case, I feel fine with revealing my thoughts because there is already enough pressure on Thor from other players to get some good results and reactions.

[tojam2]

Hahahahaha i got flash wagoned while i was in my sleep :p I'll answer the questionnaire when i give a fuck / am on my computer.

Please don't swear, I doubt I'm the only teenager on this site.

I think you are lying. Didn't you say town doesn't have a good reason to lie in this setup?

"don't see a reason to really lie as town this game as there is no power roles to lie about"

Yes, you did.

VOTE: Io

karnos, please don't use colours close to my modding colour, it will start to confuse me later. Try chocolate brown (A08000).

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@Thor665: Please use VOTE: tags from now on or I won't count your vote.

Aw cradsticks - fine, I'll try my best.
I loathe the creation of that tag becoming a mod ruleset occasionally.
Is it the auto counter? Does it not pick up on Bold tags or something? Or do you just love the highlight?

It's just I spot [.v] tags more easily

[Killthestory]

Am I not allowed to swear?

[tojam2]

VC Day 1 - 3

karnos L-3 - Io, Thor665, gigabyte
Thor665 L-3 - Killthestory, Transcend, Rosske
Io L-5 - karnos

(expired on 2016-07-29 16:30:00)

[Killthestory]

Am I not allowed to swear?

[Transcend]

oh shoot i'm sorry i will try my hardest not to swear but don't be surprised if i slip a few times.

[Thor665]

also 64 and 119 in juxtaposition

HOLY SMURF THIS POST IS 20 LEVELS OF AWFUL

I liked that post, I don't see the scum energy in it in any way at all - what are you guys seeing?

The problem I have with Thor is his logic is inconsistent. He thinks his read is so good he can trust you as town after only a couple posts. Okay, maybe his read is so good, but if you accept that he is so good at reading people, then shouldn't he pick his own scum to vote, based on his amazing reads? Instead he chooses to sheep you. It's like he is saying he is so good at reading people that he is 100% convinced you are town, but at the same time he isn't confident enough in his reads to independently vote on his biggest scum read. It's a weird inconsistency to me.

This logic doesn't make any sense.
Let's presume for a moment that you are absolutely correct and this is *exactly* how I see myself.
What presumes that I have a scum read at that stage of the game?
Because that's all that doesn't need to happen for this case to fall apart. Maybe I got my magical super accurate town read and haven't yet got a scum read - and, presto, my vote makes perfect sense even within the strange world of Mystic Thor the Wonderous Seer.

Do you have a rejoinder?