Open 646 - Semi Nightless - Game Over (D6)

[Transcend]

solid

[Killthestory]

PC isn't confirmed scum by the way.

Their Karnos vote looked like RVS, and then they decided to townread Karnos after some pressure was applied to him.

[Transcend]

but i feel it's not a coincidence he votes the person who had the most momentum.

has the nerve to townread them and also simultaneously park his vote on karnos while his mislynch is underway.

like if he townread karnos don't you think he'd remove his vote from him as opposed to increasing the momentum on his bw?

[Killthestory]

sure

[PhantomCobalt]

Well your feeling is wrong, it was a coincidence. But I'm parking on him until I can get to a computer and read through everything

[Transcend]

Why would you park your vote on a townread who is L-2 and has the potential to get LOLhammered?

[Killthestory]

id lolhammer him because it'd be a nice meme

[Transcend]

lmfao

[Kcdaspot]

this is me, reading the above

[Killthestory]

don't you use jontron for your stale memes

[Thor665]

Why would you park your vote on a townread who is L-2 and has the potential to get LOLhammered?

Who do you expect to do the lol hammer?

[Transcend]

I'm not saying he

WOULD

get lolhammered i'm saying he

COULD

get lolhammered.

[Killthestory]

Why would you park your vote on a townread who is L-2 and has the potential to get LOLhammered?

Who do you expect to do the lol hammer?

lol obv me

[Tenshii]

Let's presume for a moment that you are absolutely correct and this is *exactly* how I see myself.
What presumes that I have a scum read at that stage of the game?

You are pushing this inane theory that you are really good at town-reading people but really bad at scum reading them, which doesn't pass muster.

Yeah...except I'm not saying that, and if you can see how he logically interpreted that I was saying that - I'll give you a cookie.

And let's even go on further - do you think it is legit, if he agrees that he misunderstood/misrepped me in his answer, that he doesn't need to actually answer the question because he already did a misunderstanding/misrep answer?

Like, even if I was to go along on the crazy train that is his was a reasonable misrep teaching point (and I don't) do you then think it justifies as an answer to my question about his logic?

Line 1- THATS THE WHOLE POINT. YOU think that it's illogical to interpret it that way. But then Karnos is trying to bring up how Io is doing the same thing to Karnos (This is shown in the quote below)

You are pushing this inane theory that you are really good at town-reading people but really bad at scum reading them, which doesn't pass muster.

I would agree.
Especially since I never said anything like that.

You are correct, you didn't say anything like that, I was just interpreting your post and reading between the lines, and taking into account the game state.

But now you seem to be pushing the idea that Io can interpret my posts, read details that were unsaid and you fully support her, while here you are arguing that your posts can only be taken literally.

It's a bit of a contradiction in your logic.

Line 2/3 - But he did answer your question. (This is shown in the quote below)

This logic doesn't make any sense.
Let's presume for a moment that you are absolutely correct and this is *exactly* how I see myself.
What presumes that I have a scum read at that stage of the game?
Because that's all that doesn't need to happen for this case to fall apart. Maybe I got my magical super accurate town read and haven't yet got a scum read - and, presto, my vote makes perfect sense even within the strange world of Mystic Thor the Wonderous Seer.

Do you have a rejoinder?

What exactly does a town read mean? IMO, it means the player isn't scum.

What exactly does a scum read me? IMO, it means the player isn't town.

You are pushing this inane theory that you are really good at town-reading people but really bad at scum reading them, which doesn't pass muster. There is no inherent difference between a scum read and a town read, they both measure the same thing, but town is on the positive scale and scum is on the negative.

So no, it doesn't make sense that at a point in the game where many players have posted several serious posts outside of RVS, you only have a read on one of them. And further, it doesn't logically follow that your town read is necessarily reading anyone else accurately.

Your question - What presumes that I have a scum read at that stage of the game?

The first 3 lines - The lesson

The last line - The actual answer. "So no, It doesn't make sense that at a point in the game where many players have posted several posts outside of RVS, you only have a read on one of them. And further, it doesn't logically follow that your town read is necessarily reading anyone else accurately." AKA he's saying that there's been so much information posted already, why do you only have a read on one person? Why wouldn't you have a scum read? And how do you even know that town read is scum reading anyone else accurately?

Also even if he weren't teaching a lesson, his Line 2 makes sense to me. I don't get the logic at all on depending a townREAD's read on another person. You don't know for sure your READ is town so chooing to bandwagon that READ's read over your own personal read doesn't make sense.

[Tenshii]

Note about my 363 post: When I say "Line 1" and "Line 2/3," I am referring to my top 340 quote.

[Tenshii]

@ Phantom, I'm willing to temporarily unvote you if you temporarily unvote Karnos.

[Tenshii]

@ Phantom, As either alignment town/mafia, you don't want to get lynched aka you don't want votes on you. So accepting what I said would be NAI.

[Luna Fox]

Btw in case you guys arent following

Strong townreads: Tenshii and gigabyte
Townreads: Karnos, Thor, Transcend, KC, Io.
Leftovers: KTS, Rosske, PC

[Kcdaspot]

i have never seen scum kts.

but town kts doesn't give a fuck and makes all his points concise.

has anything he done so far in this game have been concise?

His play here is different than town KTS. that should be giving you a big flag that he is not on the towns side.

[Killthestory]

lol saying my play is different when he's never even played with me

[Luna Fox]

I feel like we have language barriers here.

[Transcend]

Long story short kdca:

I don't town read kts like i instantly did in my newbie game.

But I'm not willing to rope a candidate i think is null over a candidate i think is conf scum (phantom).

[Io]

OK well I've read and caught up as well as went back through ISO's and reading parts of the thread over again.
I'll pick out some of the better things I found.

First off I'm liking Luna and Transcend as both of them look to have a lot of actual contribution and not just posts that include both opinions and reads which I like. Right now I see Luna as having pure town motivation behind her posts, and Transcend I'm not to sure about with intent but I still have him as pretty highly regarded for it just Luna's a bit better than you.

Next is the Kc vs Kill. To put it short Kc wins. While I agree with Kill, Kc is a bit annoying to read his posts, KC is still right on a lot of their points they made on you. You are pretty dodgy wiht his accusation and just attacking his play style, which while bad, is a pretty scummy thing to do on itself. Plus Kill practically made up the argument that you were attacking Kc's reads and not them when the only real close thing you did to attacking his reads was saying his reads sucked. With that being said while I put Kc as very likely town, I'm a bit unsure on Kill though leaning a slight scum mostly because of the Kc interaction.

So Kranos and Thor. To be honest the more Kranos talks the more I think he might be just a really bad townie than scum, but I'm still sticking with my gut that he is scum. Which with that by default puts Thor as a pretty likely town in my eyes. And frankly I can't see this being TvT.

I have more opinions but now I'm out of time because i somehow spent an hour and a half doing all that.

[PhantomCobalt]

Transcend why are you pushing me about something that won't happen?

And temporarily unvote? I think karnos is town, this unvote is permanent unless my read on him changes
VOTE: Transcend for bad logic

[Kcdaspot]

i am now very much comfortable with a PC lynch.