Open 642 - The Woodshed - Game Over

[Quaroath]

DrippingGoofBall replaces drmyshottyizsik

Alpaca is V/LA till 7/19

[mhsmith0]

Shamelessly quoting someone smarter than me...

If a scum does try some fake scumhunting it will lack righteousness. It will smell feeble. You will struggle to see how or why this vapour is vote-worthy relative to alternative issues present in the thread. Knowing this some scum players might try and fake passion for their vote to disguise the deficit in intellectual integrity underpinning it.

Then you are looking for a disproportionate level of zeal and/or confidence

. A scum in this mode is not necessarily harder to spot, but can be harder to lynch since they can impress weaker-minded townies. They can shamelessly segue from one terrible vote underpinned by garbage to another and not miss a beat. Scum also tend to gravitate to this mode the closer they are to the win.

"Disproportionate confidence" - sound familiar? Confidence completely out of whack with the quality of the case and cited evidence?

Ps full quote at http://www.playdiplomacy.com/forum/view ... 10#p759434, is great reading

[mhsmith0]

Another one...

Use the meta-data you have on your suspects to help. If you have played in a game with someone before you will have a sense if their voting is beneath their usual quality control threshold as a townie.

Or compare it to other times they have or have not voted within this game for remarkably similar behaviour.

If this game day they consider something vote-worthy but on a previous game day did not (or vice versa) then something could be up. Use their own established standard for voting as the benchmark for their current voting choices.

Iv's "ranger v m&m is t/w" (inside a large post putting his thoughts into thread) gets a 100% scum read from ranger. Btd6's much lazier "ranger v smith is t/w" doesn't seem to register as notable (unless I missed it). The reason for this is ____?

[DrippingGoofball]

Hi guys

Who is scum

[DrippingGoofball]

Don't be shy you all

[innocentvillager]

Dripping, any thoughts on what you've read so far?

[innocentvillager]

Another one...

Use the meta-data you have on your suspects to help. If you have played in a game with someone before you will have a sense if their voting is beneath their usual quality control threshold as a townie.

Or compare it to other times they have or have not voted within this game for remarkably similar behaviour.

If this game day they consider something vote-worthy but on a previous game day did not (or vice versa) then something could be up. Use their own established standard for voting as the benchmark for their current voting choices.

Iv's "ranger v m&m is t/w" (inside a large post putting his thoughts into thread) gets a 100% scum read from ranger. Btd6's much lazier "ranger v smith is t/w" doesn't seem to register as notable (unless I missed it). The reason for this is ____?

Shamelessly quoting someone smarter than me...

If a scum does try some fake scumhunting it will lack righteousness. It will smell feeble. You will struggle to see how or why this vapour is vote-worthy relative to alternative issues present in the thread. Knowing this some scum players might try and fake passion for their vote to disguise the deficit in intellectual integrity underpinning it.

Then you are looking for a disproportionate level of zeal and/or confidence

. A scum in this mode is not necessarily harder to spot, but can be harder to lynch since they can impress weaker-minded townies. They can shamelessly segue from one terrible vote underpinned by garbage to another and not miss a beat. Scum also tend to gravitate to this mode the closer they are to the win.

"Disproportionate confidence" - sound familiar? Confidence completely out of whack with the quality of the case and cited evidence?

Ps full quote at http://www.playdiplomacy.com/forum/view ... 10#p759434, is great reading

These are good points, but I still don't see implicit scum motivation for Ranger to do what she did given my reasons.

For the guy you are quoting, there is an implicit assumption that the scum are trying to hide that their reads are disproportionate to their reasoning. Ranger, imo, is different. There's clearly something in the back of her mind about me D1 that she wasn't telling us about (which she explains after I scumclaim), and the fact that her read is a 100% scumread on me is still completely unnecessary and extremely obviously disproportionate. So I think this is a different case, since Ranger wasn't trying to hide such.

I think you are taking what this guy says too literally, even if it is solid advice. Thanks for that, btw.

[Ranger]

Hi guys
Who is scum

Well to be frank.
If we knew that, we wouldn't exactly have needed you in the game in the first place.
I've tried. I can't get a solid grip. The closest I've got is mhsmith, and even that's just a guess.

[mhsmith0]

@ranger:when is the last time you've been this openly unsure and without decent guesses in a town game?

[BTD6_maker]

Kappy still needs a replacement. TM probably does as well.

[Titus]

Hi guys

Who is scum

Da lurkers I think...

[DrippingGoofball]

Dripping, any thoughts on what you've read so far?

I have read nothing.

[DrippingGoofball]

Hi guys
Who is scum

Well to be frank.
If we knew that, we wouldn't exactly have needed you in the game in the first place.
I've tried. I can't get a solid grip. The closest I've got is mhsmith, and even that's just a guess.

Alright then

VOTE: Ranger

[Quaroath]

Pantherpunt replaces Kappy

one more!

[mhsmith0]

*grabs popcorn, prepares for fireworks*

[Quaroath]

Vote count 2.11

mhsmith0 - (2) Ranger, BTD6_maker
BTD6_maker - (2) PantherPunt, Town Mafioso
Ranger - (2) mhsmith0, DrippingGoofball

Not Voting - (2) AlpacaAlpaca, Titus

With 8 eligible to vote, is takes 5 to lynch.

Still seeking replacement for Town Mafioso.

Votecount updated to reflect replacements.

Playerlist in the fist post has been updated as well.

Corrected VC

[PantherPunt]

hello frands

any cliffs I need?

I'll probably start a catch-up in a couple hours

[PantherPunt]

so others know, I just came off of a long game with smith, Ranger, and BTD6 (and briefly Alpaca)

I should be able to stack up their games with their alignment in that one easily. and I own Ranger's soul so if she is mafia here too I fully expect her to shut down in fear

[mhsmith0]

Rangers probably a wolf here. Her IV push d1 was bad, and I feel like she's been pretty sketchy since as well.

[PantherPunt]

This makes no sense! If he flips scum, you're conftown? No, why would town know he was scum? It would be a coin flip, and no townie wants to take that chance. If he flips scum, the hammerer would be scum.
VOTE: innocentvillager until I understand this logic.

Is not making sense scummy?

-- Mail

who are Music and Mail?

this post is interesting in italics

[PantherPunt]

also timestamps

it seems we are 5 weeks into d2 here? what in the actual fuck

[PantherPunt]

fun fact - I almost quoted a kappy post and called it scummy

I apparently need to re-calibrate that tell

[PantherPunt]

Spoiler:

Now that you've said that, if scum do actually bus, they are taking a huge disadvantage now but are much less likely to face a lynch in the future because everyone thinks scum would never hammer. Hammering scum may still give towncred but you should always consider a lynch on them if necessary in the future.

Well, sure, but it would regardless be hella nice if scum hammered their scumbuddy right now. I'd rather get a scum down on D1 and have the remaining scum be slightly cleared versus having to take down two scum independently.

Wow I realized there were a lot of redundancies in that post, but I hope the meaning extra comes across and you guys can agree with me that Kappy is basically a clear (or provide a good reason why not). Hurray for some progress.

I read it as Kappy making up a reason to move his vote to you. It neither clears him nor condemns him.

I mean your logic would work, IF someone took your post seriously. As I don't and will never believe he, or anyone, did, or that you intended anyone to, it breaks your logic.

@Everyone

if you had to pick one person as scum from the last two pages who would it be?

One of innocentvillager/BTD6_maker. But not together

I'm not sure I understand where you're going with this post. If you're referring to my 44, yeah it obviously wasn't "serious" per se, but it still had some actual strategic basis behind it, as I explained in 50. I think one can still disagree with the logic behind a post about strategy, even if the tone is obviously joking. So, please elaborate on how it somehow "breaks my logic". Regardless of the tone of my post 44, you would still agree with me if Kappy's confusion was genuine, since it is entirely town POV focused without even the slightest consideration for scum POV. But it seems like you're convinced it was fake, because my post was obviously a joke and had zero strategic meaning behind it, so therefore the confusion was fake.

But what I don't get is how if you read that as "Kappy making up a reason to vote me" that you can still say it doesn't clear nor condemn him. If you really think he's making up a bullshit reason, how doesn't that condemn him?

VOTE: KickAssAndGiggle

until I understand this discrepancy

BTD6, I haven't seen you give any reads yet or true thoughts on the game despite the fact that you have the second highest number of posts (granted, we are kind of barely out of RVS). I think we're at the point where we can talk about more than just occasionally butting in about hypothetical theory stuff. Who is scum, what do you think of the discussion on Kappy's post, etc.?

the tell on kappy was voting followed by an "until"

seeing as IV is confirmed town...ya I'm going to throw that one out of my repertoire for a bit

[PantherPunt]

considering the low post count...probably best I don't post as I warp through the thread. I'll compile notes and try to chunk things

[mhsmith0]

FYI M&M was a hydra of Postie and Radiant Cowbells. Town Mafioso (their sub) was an alt of some unknown account. Slot inhabitant #3 is TBD.