Open 642 - The Woodshed - Game Over

[mhsmith0]

Mod, V/LA until 9th July. My Internet is unpredictable here. I will still try to be active when I can, though.

Anyway, still nothing from Ranger about why it was the best option to self-vote. If there is no reply we need to seriously consider Mhsmith's idea, that Ranger was just trying to deliberately avoid being lynched by self-voting, and in that case we must consider lynching Ranger.

VOTE: Ranger

I am fairly sure that at least one of Ranger/Mhsmith is scum now.

I hate everything about this post.

1) implied "if ranger DOES reply then never mind"
2) writes it in a way designed CLEARLY to blame me if ranger flips town, while basically just sleeping part of my read on her
3) naked "well one of them is wolf" bit
4) slides right in to the l-2 slot from someone who's been bandwagoning all game

Btd, if you were anything other than consistent mislynch bait I'd be all over you for that vote. As it is... I dunno. I still hate it.

[BTD6_maker]

Mod, V/LA until 9th July. My Internet is unpredictable here. I will still try to be active when I can, though.

Anyway, still nothing from Ranger about why it was the best option to self-vote. If there is no reply we need to seriously consider Mhsmith's idea, that Ranger was just trying to deliberately avoid being lynched by self-voting, and in that case we must consider lynching Ranger.

VOTE: Ranger

I am fairly sure that at least one of Ranger/Mhsmith is scum now.

I meant 9th August.

[BTD6_maker]

Mod, V/LA until 9th July. My Internet is unpredictable here. I will still try to be active when I can, though.

Anyway, still nothing from Ranger about why it was the best option to self-vote. If there is no reply we need to seriously consider Mhsmith's idea, that Ranger was just trying to deliberately avoid being lynched by self-voting, and in that case we must consider lynching Ranger.

VOTE: Ranger

I am fairly sure that at least one of Ranger/Mhsmith is scum now.

I hate everything about this post.

1) implied "if ranger DOES reply then never mind"

If Ranger DOES reply, we will need to assess Ranger's response in order to determine whether the reasons were pro-Town or pro-scum.

2) writes it in a way designed CLEARLY to blame me if ranger flips town, while basically just sleeping part of my read on her

If Ranger flips Town, you do look more suspicious, but I am not trying to imply that you are at fault if Ranger is Town. Where do you get that idea?

3) naked "well one of them is wolf" bit

I have already explained reasons for why I think one scum in Mhsmith/Ranger is likely.

4) slides right in to the l-2 slot from someone who's been bandwagoning all game

Have you conveniently ignored the fact that I was scumreading Ranger pretty much from the beginning of the game? Also, as I have explained in the past, the reason I tend to join wagons is because I want my vote to accomplish more, and push a scumread closer to a lynch, pressuring them. For example, a lone vote, even on a scumread, accomplishes very little. That person is not in much danger. However, a wagon pressurises a person. Here I opted for an L-2 on Ranger rather than an L-3 on you. Now do you understand?

Btd, if you were anything other than consistent mislynch bait I'd be all over you for that vote. As it is... I dunno. I still hate it.

[mhsmith0]

1) obviously you potentially re-assess based on what she says, not just on the self vote but on everything else. But you're openly just vote whipping there.

2) "we need to seriously consider Mhsmith's idea" - that's the epitome of deflecting responsibility for your vote.

3) you've examined previously, but "one is a wolf I think" is bad vote justification.

4) I understand that you say you read me and ranger as t/w and have (or seem to have) no particular investment in figuring out which of us is which. I don't really want to be an asshole, but I can't see a way around it. From a competent player this would basically be a scum claim. From you I don't know.

Ps a lone vote can accomplish a lot if you're invested in the lynch and work to get others to join you. If you vote park with a "this is incredibly weak" note, then yes, it accomplishes nothing.

[BTD6_maker]

"We need to seriously consider Mhsmith's idea" was not intended to deflecr responsibility, but was intended to give credit where credit was due.

Also, I am indeed trying to find out which one of you is scum, if any. Right now I was focusing on Ranger being possible scum and trying to get Ranger to justify the self-vote.

[mhsmith0]

Also, I am indeed trying to find out which one of you is scum, if any. Right now I was focusing on Ranger being possible scum and trying to get Ranger to justify the self-vote.

If you want to figure it out, engage. Ask questions, not just as responses, but find issues that are interesting to you and ask about them. If you're town your opinions and ideas are no less important than anyone else's. Demonstrate that youre invested in solving the puzzle... by showing interest and engagement in solving the puzzle.

To give you an example, you recently lost a newbie game to ircher. Ircher as town tends to be mislynch bait because he's careless and screws up. But he TRIES, and that effort is somewhat apparent once you get used to him. His town game is sloppy... but it's also aggressive and outward focused. Seeking to engage and find answers. If you choose to be more like that when you're town , I think you'll be a better player. Save the active lurking and bandwagoning for when you're a wolf (and even then try to avoid it if you can). When you're town, being read by others is a hugely important thing. If youre town, work to be read by there by showing active engagement and interest in solving the game.

[Xkfyu]

Don't worry guys. I have it all figured out already. Ranger, BTD, and mhsmith are all scum. So, it doesn't matter who we vote for.

VOTE: Ranger

[mhsmith0]

Don't worry guys. I have it all figured out already. Ranger, BTD, and mhsmith are all scum. So, it doesn't matter who we vote for.

VOTE: Ranger

Any other thoughts on the game state? What convinced you on ranger?

[mhsmith0]

Ps that's l-1

[Xkfyu]

Don't worry guys. I have it all figured out already. Ranger, BTD, and mhsmith are all scum. So, it doesn't matter who we vote for.

VOTE: Ranger

Any other thoughts on the game state? What convinced you on ranger?

I've really only read the latest vote count, and this page, so far.

I did like your analysis in 975 though. I just threw you into the scum pile to see what you'd say.

Ps that's l-1

I'm ok with that.

[mhsmith0]

So if you liked 975, are you stronger on ranger or btd? "Hi everyone I'm naked l-1'ing in my first post" is fun and all, but an actual opinion on everyone would still be nice.

[mhsmith0]

Btw I'm getting on a LONG flight within the hour, will be pretty unavailable for a while.

[Xkfyu]

So if you liked 975, are you stronger on ranger or btd? "Hi everyone I'm naked l-1'ing in my first post" is fun and all, but an actual opinion on everyone would still be nice.

I'm stronger on Ranger. She self-voted, right?

I'll give opinions on people as I form them.

[Xkfyu]

Damn, I guess DBG isn't Ranger's buddy. He probably wouldn't have put her on L-1 in, 152, if he was.

Honestly, I'm not real sure why Ranger hasn't already been lynched. I would have lynched her based off her third post in the thread (Post 92).

[mhsmith0]

What specifically about 92? I see three things there, curious what pinged you.

[Xkfyu]

{Alpaca, Alexcellent}
{BTD6}
{KickAssAndGiggle, innocentvillager}
{Kappy, shotty}
{Music and Mail}
^Approximately where I'm at right now.
I want Music and Mail lynched.
They're like 95% scum, and lynching scum is good.
If for some ungodly reason I read them wrong and they're town, then they can still scumhunt as invincible town who cannot be nightkilled and therefore cannot be silenced.

Win-win as far as I can tell.
Ergo, we're lynching Music and Mail no matter what.

The "town cannot be silenced" argument as a way to justify being wrong, even going so far as saying it's a "win-win," is invalid.

[Xkfyu]

I recommend priming the person we talked about in post 3 of QT.

Trying to figure out who this is so firefighter knows who to protect. I don't think scum have daytalk, so it's someone they discussed pre game. which means they won't prime based on performance, just on meta and stuff like that. Who's someone IV has a history with?

If anyone tells firefighter who to protect, their protection will be worthless as scum will just avoid priming them.

Also, perhaps IV just mentioned a name somewhere in post 3 of scumtalk and later (during the day) realised that they were a threat. As far as I know, primed and killed players can't post in the thread as stumps.

I'm not telling the firefighter who to protect. I'm giving them a clue so they can decide who to protect on their own.

OK. Now I understand.

I originally thought you were going to actually say who the target was most likely to be.

No. The "Who's someone IV has a history with?" was a rhetorical question, meant for the firefighter to answer in his head.

I figured that out after your post.

By the way, another quote pyramid is building up.

That's the point! I love quote pyramids.

The more we talk about it, the more scum benefit.

Statements like these always seem really scummy to me. Especially when they are randomly inserted into a conversation that the person wasn't even involved in.

[mhsmith0]

Yep. Also the weirdly high town read of alpaca, and the "95%" bit. Also "lynching scum is good" pings me as awkward, though that's a much more minor point.

[PantherPunt]

Don't worry guys. I have it all figured out already. Ranger, BTD, and mhsmith are all scum. So, it doesn't matter who we vote for.

VOTE: Ranger

Just need full clarity here...the first sentence is a joke right?

You're not xkf from 2p2 are you?

[PantherPunt]

who goes on vla for 3 weeks

[Xkfyu]

Yep. Also the weirdly high town read of alpaca, and the "95%" bit. Also "lynching scum is good" pings me as awkward, though that's a much more minor point.

I'm not sure about alpaca yet, and the "95%" thing doesn't necessarily surprise me coming from Ranger, but you're right about the "lynching scum is good" feeling awkward.

I'd lynch her solely based on the invalid logic though, even if the rest wasn't there.

[Xkfyu]

In post 981, Xkfyu wrote:
Don't worry guys. I have it all figured out already. Ranger, BTD, and mhsmith are all scum. So, it doesn't matter who we vote for.

VOTE: Ranger

Just need full clarity here...the first sentence is a joke right?

Yes.

You're not xkf from 2p2 are you?

who goes on vla for 3 weeks

No.

[Titus]

Count me as hammer.

I'm going to be distracted because my mother in law was admitted to the hospital.

[Xkfyu]

Oh IV, you sly little devil.

Never mind my 991. The Shotty/DGB slot is town.

BTD and Kappy/Panther are probably town as well.

[mhsmith0]

Sorry to hear that Titus hope she does better

Wrt hammer, what is your timeframe? I'd like to at least hear a final defense from ranger at this point