Open 647: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

[Aneninen]

I know Podoboq's case.
I'm ignoring Transcend's vote because he's most probably scum, especially after the Day2 flip.
Persivul, why are you voting for me?

[Transcend]

lynch the bird

oh wait there's two birds


lynch the pigeon. the other bird is my inno.

[MURDERCAT]

Spoiler: VCA if you believe claims

karnos

(4): DixC, PenguinPower, Transcend, SirCakez

Ranger

(2): Aneninen,

karnos

MURDERCAT

(2):

Smithereens

, drmyshottyizsik

Maruchan

(2):

MURDERCAT

,

podoboq

Aneninen

(1): Maruchan

podoboq

(1): Chip Butty

Not Voting

(1):

Ranger

Maruchan

(3):

MURDERCAT

,

podoboq

, SirCakez

SirCakez

(2):

Smithereens

,

karnos

karnos

(2): PenguinPower, drmyshottyizsik

drmyshottyizsik

(1): DixC

Aneninen

(1): Maruchan

Ranger

(1): Aneninen

podoboq

(1): Chip Butty

Not Voting

(2):

Ranger

, Transcend

Maruchan

(3):

MURDERCAT

,

podoboq

, SirCakez

SirCakez

(2):

Smithereens

,

karnos

karnos

(2): PenguinPower, drmyshottyizsik

drmyshottyizsik

(1): DixC

Aneninen

(1): Maruchan

Ranger

(1): Aneninen

podoboq

(1): Chip Butty

Not Voting

(2):

Ranger

, Transcend

podoboq

(5): Chip Butty, drmyshottyizsik,

MURDERCAT

,

Smithereens

,

karnos

karnos

(2): PenguinPower,

podoboq

drmyshottyizsik

(1): DixC

Aneninen

(1): Maruchan

Ranger

(1): Aneninen

Maruchan

(1): SirCakez

Not Voting

(2):

Ranger

, Transcend

drmyshottyizsik

(3): DixC,

Smithereens

,

karnos

podoboq

(3): Chip Butty,

MURDERCAT

, PenguinPower

karnos

(2):

podoboq

, drmyshottyizsik

Smithereens

(1): Transcend

Aneninen

(1): Maruchan

Ranger

(1): Aneninen

Maruchan

(1): SirCakez

Not Voting

(1):

Ranger

Ranger

(3): Aneninen, DixC, Maruchan

Smithereens

(2):

MURDERCAT

,

karnos

drmyshottyizsik

(2):

Smithereens

, Chip Butty

MURDERCAT

(2): Transcend,

podoboq

Maruchan

(1): SirCakez

Not Voting

(3): drmyshottyizsik, PenguinPower,

Ranger

Smithereens

(3):

karnos

, SirCakez, Transcend

Ranger

(3): DixC, Maruchan, PenguinPower

drmyshottyizsik

(2):

Smithereens

, Chip Butty

PenguinPower

(2):

Ranger

,

MURDERCAT

SirCakez

(1): drmyshottyizsik

MURDERCAT

(1):

podoboq

podoboq

(1): Aneninen

Not Voting

(0):

None.

Smithereens

(4):

karnos

, SirCakez, Transcend,

MURDERCAT

Ranger

(3): DixC, Maruchan,

podoboq

drmyshottyizsik

(2):

Smithereens

, Chip Butty

podoboq

(2): Aneninen, PenguinPower

SirCakez

(1): drmyshottyizsik

PenguinPower

(1):

Ranger

Not Voting

(0):

None.

Smithereens

(3):

karnos

, SirCakez,

podoboq

podoboq

(3): Aneninen, PenguinPower,

MURDERCAT

Ranger

(2): DixC, Maruchan

Aneninen

(1):

Smithereens

drmyshottyizsik

(1): Chip Butty

Transcend

(1): drmyshottyizsik

MURDERCAT

(1): Transcend

PenguinPower

(1):

Ranger

Not Voting

(0):

None.

MURDERCAT

(4): Transcend, DixC,

karnos

,

podoboq

podoboq

(3): Aneninen, PenguinPower,

MURDERCAT

Smithereens

(1): SirCakez

drmyshottyizsik

(1): Chip Butty

Transcend

(1): drmyshottyizsik

Aneninen

(1):

Smithereens

Ranger

(1): Maruchan

PenguinPower

(1):

Ranger

Not Voting

(0):

None.

podoboq

(4): Aneninen, PenguinPower,

MURDERCAT

,

Ranger

MURDERCAT

(3): DixC,

karnos

,

podoboq

Aneninen

(2):

Smithereens

, drmyshottyizsik

Smithereens

(2): SirCakez, Transcend

drmyshottyizsik

(1): Chip Butty

Ranger

(1): Maruchan

Not Voting

(0):

None.

Smithereens

(6): SirCakez, Transcend,

podoboq

,

MURDERCAT

, Maruchan,

Smithereens

podoboq

(3): Aneninen, PenguinPower,

Ranger

MURDERCAT

(2): DixC,

karnos

Aneninen

(1): drmyshottyizsik

drmyshottyizsik

(1): Chip Butty

Not Voting

(0):

None.

Smithereens

(6): SirCakez, Transcend,

podoboq

, Maruchan,

Smithereens

,

karnos

podoboq

(3): Aneninen, PenguinPower,

Ranger

Maruchan

(2):

MURDERCAT

, drmyshottyizsik

drmyshottyizsik

(1): Chip Butty

MURDERCAT

(1): DixC

Not Voting

(0):

None.

Smithereens

(5): SirCakez,

podoboq

, Maruchan,

Smithereens

,

karnos

podoboq

(3): Aneninen, PenguinPower,

Ranger

Maruchan

(3):

MURDERCAT

, drmyshottyizsik, DixC

drmyshottyizsik

(1): Chip Butty

Not Voting

(1): Transcend

Smithereens

(5): SirCakez,

podoboq

, Maruchan,

Smithereens

,

karnos

podoboq

(4): Aneninen, PenguinPower,

Ranger

, drmyshottyizsik

Maruchan

(2):

MURDERCAT

, DixC

drmyshottyizsik

(1): Chip Butty

Not Voting

(1): Transcend

podoboq

(5): Aneninen, PenguinPower,

Ranger

, drmyshottyizsik,

Smithereens

Smithereens

(4): SirCakez,

podoboq

, Maruchan,

karnos

Maruchan

(2):

MURDERCAT

, DixC

drmyshottyizsik

(1): Chip Butty

Not Voting

(1): Transcend

podoboq

(6): Aneninen, PenguinPower,

Smithereens

,

Ranger

, DixC, drmyshottyizsik

[L-1]

Smithereens

(5): SirCakez,

podoboq

, Dunnstral,

karnos

, Transcend

[L-2]

drmyshottyizsik

(1): Chip Butty

Dunnstral

(1):

MURDERCAT

Not Voting

(0):

None.

podoboq

(5): Aneninen, PenguinPower,

Smithereens

,

Ranger

, DixC

PenguinPower

(4):

podoboq

,

MURDERCAT

, Transcend, SirCakez

Smithereens

(2):

karnos

, drmyshottyizsik

drmyshottyizsik

(1): Chip Butty

Ranger

(1): Dunnstral

Not Voting

(0):

None.

PenguinPower

(6):

podoboq

,

MURDERCAT

, Transcend, SirCakez, Chip Butty, Aneninen

(L-1)

podoboq

(3): PenguinPower,

Smithereens

,

Ranger

Smithereens

(2):

karnos

, drmyshottyizsik

drmyshottyizsik

(1): DixC

Ranger

(1): Dunnstral

Not Voting

(0):

None.

podoboq

(6): PenguinPower,

Ranger

,

Smithereens

,

podoboq

, Aneninen, drmyshottyizsik

PenguinPower

(4):

MURDERCAT

, Transcend, SirCakez, Chip Butty

Smithereens

(2):

karnos

, Dunnstral

MURDERCAT

(1): DixC

Not Voting

(0):

None.

Smithereens

(5):

karnos

, drmyshottyizsik, PenguinPower,

podoboq

, SirCakez

Dunnstral

(3):

Ranger

,

Smithereens

,

MURDERCAT

Aneninen

(2): DixC, Dunnstral

Not Voting

(3): Aneninen, Chip Butty, Transcend

Smithereens

(7):

karnos

, drmyshottyizsik, PenguinPower,

podoboq

, SirCakez, Transcend, Dunnstral

(LYNCH)

Dunnstral

(5):

Ranger

,

Smithereens

,

MURDERCAT

, Chip Butty, DixC

Not Voting

(1): Aneninen

VOTE: cake

Gunna stick with this. I think a mass claim might be good, although not getting a cop guilty in this setup is pretty rough. It will narrow our pool down though.

What's the point of the VCA? Looks like cakez parked for long periods, then hopped opportunistically toward the end. Is that it , or is there something else?

Well I don't know if I'll get anything useful from it until after I do it...

I was looking to see who hangs around the large wagons that look like they might go through and which wagons don't seem to get much momentum. I will redo it at some point with new confirmed flips. Penguin actually stood out to me, but I didn't have a chance to go back and actually look at the votes I found questionable.

[Transcend]

you do realize if cakez flips green, like i expect, i'm just going to get turbo'd in mylo. so imo either lynch me or someone i fos today. i'd rather lose the game on my own fault rather than the fault of others.

[Persivul]

Persivul, why are you voting for me?

You're in my lynch group for today, and you're hiding out.

[karnos]

Ugh, the votes, they are everywhere. I'm kinda curious what ranger is thinking. But her wording rubs me the wrong way a bit, as it strongly reminds me of the scum!ranger of open 644.

[karnos]

For the record:
There are thoughts I am, very deliberately, holding back from giving.

I actually am playing sub-optimally right now because of it, because I think that there's a huge payoff if I time things right.

This is very reminiscent of this post from scum!Ranger in a completed game:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p7993356
"The only explanation I'm holding back on is an explanation which once I give, will absolutely dominate the game.
I don't want to give that yet." - Ranger


Yet, I can't deny that holstering on n1 would be incredibly risky for scum, so I am not about to jump out and call ranger scum because of this odd similarity in posting style. However, I would feel terrible if I kept this to myself and ranger did end up flipping scum in the end, so I need to least put it out here and see what the rest of you think of it.

[Persivul]

Ranger gets all dramatic as town, too. We need to lynch in the unclaimed pool today. If we're unsuccessful claimants can be on the table tomorrow. Part of the point of this setup is to use claims to narrow down the lynch pool.

[Chip Butty]

We need to lynch in the unclaimed pool today. If we're unsuccessful claimants can be on the table tomorrow. Part of the point of this setup is to use claims to narrow down the lynch pool.

That doesn't make sense. Unclaimed just tend to be the players with PRs later in the game. Anyone, Town or scum, is going to claim under pressure. So in the end there will be no unclaimed to lynch. And we don't necessarily want to force claims in advance, even just Cop/Doc without giving night, because it makes it easy for scum to pick off the remaining cops who haven't yet used their powers, given that their is no guaranteed Doc coverage on any given night.

[karnos]

Damnit, we need to make some progress and consolidate votes.

I think we just need to get claims out from the remaining players.

VOTE: Aneninen You are the first in line. Please claim your role. You can keep the night to yourself, as randomly generated nights can be duplicated.

Also, pick whether you want sircakez or persivul to claim next.

[Persivul]

That doesn't make sense. Unclaimed just tend to be the players with PRs later in the game. Anyone, Town or scum, is going to claim under pressure. So in the end there will be no unclaimed to lynch. And we don't necessarily want to force claims in advance, even just Cop/Doc without giving night, because it makes it easy for scum to pick off the remaining cops who haven't yet used their powers, given that their is no guaranteed Doc coverage on any given night.

I'm not going into every detail in every post I make about this. You need to follow along. When I say claimed here, I'm speaking of people who have claimed

with a result

, and the

objects of those results

.

I don't really give a shit that penguin claimed N3 doc or podo claimed N5 cop. You're correct that, by themselves, those are meaningless. However, I do care that others have claimed to have innos on those two.

I give a cop claim with a result some respect because it's against scum's interest to produce conftowns.

I generally wouldn't give a doc protection claim any weight, but on a night with no kill, as with Ranger/Murdercat, it gets some respect.

I don't give chip's N2 doc claim any weight, because there was a kill. In fact, his claim goes against him, as MC was a ridiculous target when we had two cop claims for than night.

[Persivul]

mod, can we get a vc?

[PenguinPower]

Alright, I can get on board with claims from the unclaimed.

VOTE: Aneninen

L-1, I believe.

[Persivul]

We're not voting to get claims. If we want to massclaim we decide that separately.

[SirCakez]

Persivul your reasoning for that is very weak. Claiming Cop, especially in Transcend's situation, isn't indicative of town. And don't forget he CCed now confirmed town.

[Persivul]

why would you believe all the claims? Transcend's claim is scummy as shit.

What makes it scummy?

It's CCing flipped town

How has he CC'd flipped town? What am I missing? If he has indeed done so, we'll just lynch him now.

[PenguinPower]

why would you believe all the claims? Transcend's claim is scummy as shit.

What makes it scummy?

It's CCing flipped town

How has he CC'd flipped town? What am I missing? If he has indeed done so, we'll just lynch him now.

I'm n2 cop, hopefully such info will help the town

i cc n2 cop

get him

[Transcend]

If you've ever heard of the phrase Christmas in July, it literally applies right now.

[Transcend]

I know Podoboq's case.
I'm ignoring Transcend's vote because he's most probably scum, especially after the Day2 flip.
Persivul, why are you voting for me?

Oh wait, that's the point when I'm appearing right after a hammer and look scummy because of that.
And noone will believe that it's a coincidence. (However, it is.)

As always, I'm open for investigation at Night. And for Nightkill, too. Perhaps the latter one.
Scummies, I'm helping:

Nightkill: Aneninen

You only have to copy/paste it into your QT. It takes less time than deciding what to do.
Deal?

Lol

[Transcend]

What's funny is this dude thinks he's obv town in 680 yet gives a shitty come back post like 1675.

680 is lamist, 1675 is just down right scum telling.

[Persivul]

That? Seriously? What makes more sense:

- He didn't understand that in this setup there can be multiple cops on a night; or

- He's scum and was doing the exact opposite of what he should do, i.e. offering a 1 for 1 trade.

If this is what cakez is pushing, he should be lynched. He knows better.

[Transcend]

It's literally chip anen and ranger lol. Anen is the most obv scum of the batch.

[Persivul]

i'm feeling cakez!town p hard rn as well.

Why?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Sircakez

[Persivul]

You've had chip solidly in your scum team for some time now. This is the extent of your reasoning:

chip had the scummiest vote on me today.

I'm sick and tired of having to act like a nuisance in order to not get scumread in these games.

Chip's been scumming hard the past couple of posts.

[davesaz]

bump