Mini 1805 [C'est fini!]

[Sméagol]

Mod

: Could you please prod atm487, Eggman, and MarioManiac4? Thanks.

Yup sorry, Atm and Mario have been prodded.

[Creature]

Guess DGB already gave up.

That was fast.

VOTE: DGB

[Creature]

I am now seeing DotW as town and Infinity 324 as scum.

[Infinity 324]

Notice I didn't put my vote on you? I should have said "it wouldn't surprise me". Lol I'm willing to accept that you're scum based on your out of the blue push on me day 1 right after saying you have so many townreads and the fact that you refuses to substantiate your argument with anything besides "having this conversation is scummy"

Nope, I gave my reasoning about 10 times yet you refuse to listen.

Guess DGB already gave up.

That was fast.

VOTE: DGB

???

I am now seeing DotW as town and Infinity 324 as scum.

Why the sudden change? Do you not agree that dragon has been overdefensive this game?

[Dragon of the West]

Notice I didn't put my vote on you? I should have said "it wouldn't surprise me". Lol I'm willing to accept that you're scum based on your out of the blue push on me day 1 right after saying you have so many townreads and the fact that you refuses to substantiate your argument with anything besides "having this conversation is scummy"

Nope, I gave my reasoning about 10 times yet you refuse to listen.

Guess DGB already gave up.

That was fast.

VOTE: DGB

???

I am now seeing DotW as town and Infinity 324 as scum.

Why the sudden change? Do you not agree that dragon has been overdefensive this game?

Lol. Please quote your reasoning that you gave 10 times. I'd love to read it in all its glory on non-existence

[Dragon of the West]

EBWOP: of not on

[Derek12]

I'm guessing Creature just doesn't feel like answering my questions.

Good to know.

[Infinity 324]

Seriously dude?

Say what you'd like, but you're imagining that. You said you thought something I said in that post set off your scumdar and the only thing I can see setting that off is if you thought I lied about not trying to push a hammer through. If that's not the case, please clarify what made that retort to petroleum scummy, because it's not clear. And that's not "overdefensive", that's explaining myself after an accusation

Petroleum said you were hypocritical for calling eggman's VT crumb scum when you crumbed neighbor, you explained that crumbing neighbor wasn't really the purpose of the post in question. Ok, that was enough of a defense.

You said you weren't pushing for a quickhammer on eggman, but petroleum wasn't accusing you of that, "pushing for a lynch" does not mean "pushing for a lynch immediately", and that particular wording is not important anyway. The important part that petroleum was pointing out was that you called eggman scum for crumbing uselessly, while you crumbed neighbor, and you already had answered that part. Overdefensive.

You also talk about why you didn't like the eggman crumb in a way that "I realize now that it may have just been something Eggman may do" is not a reason for town to drop a scumread. Meanwhile you never even gave another reason to stop pushing eggman in the first place.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: dragon

F-oh-ex is still probably town, he's just stupidly stuck on the creature/egg BS. Egg was town because saying that he crumbed there made no sense as scum, and there was no other real reason to ask the dessert question. Creature realizing that does not make him scum lol

First of all, neither I nor petroleum said you were trying to get someone to quick hammer, and you making the distinction between calling eggman scum and trying to push the lynch is a nitpick and unnecessary defense. I also didn't like your odd justification of why you changed your mind about the eggman crumb. Now you're just getting overdefensive and assuming things I didn't say.

Yeah I'm having serious doubts about dragon.

His point was that what dragon was doing was contradictory, whether dragon is pushing an immediate lynch or not the point is the same. It's pretty clear.

I've already said this, you push on me out of the blue makes no sense coming from scum when no one else suspected me.

The two contradictions were how I treated an L-1 in my last game versus how I treated it in this game and how I "crumbed" neighbor after not liking how Eggman crumbed. I showed why both of these were not the case, yet you still want to claim that me being "contradictory" is the problem. I don't get your line of thinking if I've proven all of your and pj's points to be incorrect. You're only response has been along the lines of "even having the conversation is scummy, so disregard that we were wrong about everything we said. he's still scum anyway". It's such a bad vote and push I'm tempted to vote you back just for your complete absence of actual reasoning

I never said that you being contradictory was the problem, I said that the contradiction about the crumb was the thing petroleum was pointing out. Stop pretending like I don't have any actual reasons. You overexplained yourself by stating thing that weren't necessary to respond to the point petroleum was trying to make, and you gave a explanation for the unvote of eggman that doesn't look genuine. You seriously didn't consider eggman's crumb as coming from town until creature and I pointed it out? Just sounds like a reason to jump off the eggman wagon as it died down. After that, you made a huge deal about me calling your post scummy and made assumptions about why I did that, which reads as scum desperate to defend themselves.

[Dragon of the West]

Then I proved each and every one of these points wrong and explained thoroughly why this was misconception on your part. On top of which, PJ said that you misrepresented what he said when you tried to put words in his mouth about what he meant by "pushing the lynch through". Your only remaining response to my defense was that I was overdefensive and having the conversation was scummy

[Infinity 324]

You never explained why you felt the need to justify to petroleum the crumbing thing past the fact that you weren't really trying to crumb neighbor. You never responded about why you were so concerned about why I found that one post scummy in the first place.

I also don't believe your reasoning for why you stopped pushing eggman.

You're blowing what was originally a small thing out of proportion yet don't respond to the actual points, and instead use it as a way to call me scum. That's why you are scum.

[Dragon of the West]

Why I justified: it was brought up as me being contradictory when, in fact, I wasn't actually crumbing in the traditional sense. I've already stated that multiple times.
I asked what about that post you found scummy, not that I was concerned you found it scummy. As town, it is my goal to be townread by other town members so that they trust my reads as genuine and don't mislynch me. I don't think wanting to understand what you found scummy in order to refute that point and show you that I am town is in itself scum behavior.
I don't care if you don't believe me about why I stopped pushing eggman; it's the truth so I can't say anymore about it
It wasn't out of proportion. You exclaimed I was scum for those reasons and I went on to disprove you by responding to the actual points. You then ignored the points I made in retort and continued to call me scum by saying the conversation itself was scummy. You're ignorance of my previous arguments and absolute misrepresentation of what I've said is why I think you are scum

[Sméagol]

Mario and Atm are being replaced.
DrippingGoofball has been prodded.

[Sméagol]

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Day 2 #04

DrippingGoofball [

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petroleumjelly

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Creature

Creature [

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F-oh-ex

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Dragon of the West

MarioManiac4 [

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Eggman

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DrippingGoofball

Dragon of the West [

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Infinity 324

Abstaining [3]:

MarioManiac4 / Derek12 / atm487

There are 10 active players.
Absolute majority is

6

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Majority has

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Spoiler: Current player list

[01]

DrippingGoofball

[02]

Creature

[03]

MarioManiac4

[04] Robbnva † -

town

- role cop neighbour - killed night 1

[05] Dwlee99 † -

town

- vanilla - killed night 1

[06]

petroleumjelly

[07]

Dragon of the West

[08]

Derek12

[09]

Infinity 324

[10]

F-oh-ex

[11]

Eggman

[12]

atm487

[13] crazycrabman † -

town

- vanilla - lynched day 1

Spoiler: Days & nights

Day 1

Night 1

Day 2

Deadline is

28-07-2016 00:00:00 CEST

((expired on 2016-07-28 00:00:00)).

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm guessing Creature just doesn't feel like answering my questions.

Good to know.

You're town

[Dragon of the West]

an entire day of one post? this game is dying. hopefully replacements get this going

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm trying by helping lynch MarioManiac.

[petroleumjelly]

1.)

One of my best guesses for scum is actually atm487, but he has never gotten around to answering my questions and now he's being replaced. MarioManiac4 being replaced actually seems like a slight Towntell to me, though I don't think the reasoning for why is very 'good.'

2.)

I have not been terribly interested in the Infinity 324 v Dragon of the West argument. I think Infinity 324 has been overselling his arguments against Dragon of the West, while Dragon of the West is similarly overselling his defense. In other words: I do not think the case against Dragon of the West is particularly

strong

, though I do think there are points against him; Infinity 324 seems to be acting like there is more than there is. Dragon of the West has responded to these concerns, but is acting like he has somehow "proved" the case against him is wrong (when really, he has just responded to it). Dragon of the West has also made a couple of posts today where he has used the logic "I am Town, therefore your statement that includes me as scum is wrong in that respect and logically means X" that have not been great.

I will ask a question, though:

3.)

Infinity 324, could you please quote and explain why you think Dragon of the West has been "

over

defensive"? And why does that make him scum?

[DrippingGoofball]

One of my best guesses for scum is actually atm487

How come no one is voting him?

[Creature]

I'd go for atm487, unlike Mario, nothing makes me hesitate to vote him.

[F-oh-ex]

One of my best guesses for scum is actually atm487

How come no one is voting him?

Probably because he's on V/LA.

I don't like how Creature mentions he'd lynch atm only after someone else expressed that thought.

[Creature]

but I already expressed intention to lynch atm487, or was my vote on him a joke?

[F-oh-ex]

Why did you unlynch then if your intent stays, especially since you said "nothing makes you hesitate"?

[F-oh-ex]

And I'd rather wait for replacements before lynching, especially in atm's case since he did... nothing. I don't think he knew how to play.

[Dragon of the West]

1.)

One of my best guesses for scum is actually atm487, but he has never gotten around to answering my questions and now he's being replaced. MarioManiac4 being replaced actually seems like a slight Towntell to me, though I don't think the reasoning for why is very 'good.'

Can you explain why you think Mario being replaced is a towntell? regardless of how good the reasoning is

[F-oh-ex]

How can getting replaced be a tell? What?