Mini 1805 [C'est fini!]

[F-oh-ex]

I need to re-read last pages more carefully, I let go a bit.

[Infinity 324]

Sorry guys, I'm losing focus in my mafia games, from here on out I'll really try to post more cause this game needs it. I'm finishing my atm, eggman, and petroleum ISOs and talk about dragon more tonight.

[Infinity 324]

@Eggman explain your FoS on dragon please

[Infinity 324]

Also your read on mm4

[DrippingGoofball]

I'd go for atm487, unlike Mario, nothing makes me hesitate to vote him.

I can get behind that.

[Eggman]

I'd go for atm487, unlike Mario, nothing makes me hesitate to vote him.

What'd stop you from an MM4 lynch? IMO he's one of the scummier slots due to the Smithereens defense.
@Infinity: part going off of Creature's {lynch list}, part because neighbors are not masons. I don't really suspect him as of now, but I'll keep the FoS up to remind me to look into his posts next week.

[Eggman]

didn't see the second question.
MM4:
pops in at start of Day 1, pops out
imo inactivity at the beginning of a game may be a minor scumtell
also his defense of smithereens by saying "nothing here" when there was obviously stuff from that slot is really bad

[DrippingGoofball]

Let's lynch him

[Creature]

VOTE: atm487

Whatever.

[Creature]

I am getting a gut feeling DotW is town rn.

[Infinity 324]

ISO'd eggman again, and I still think some of his thought processes are towny, but I could see the "VT crumb" coming from scum who wants to plan a claim in advance (overall a towntell still though). What worries me is that the pushes on his scumreads seem to lack conviction. The response about dragon could definitely be noob scum distancing.

Didn't get much out of atm's ISO. I could see as scum since he was one of my weaker townreads, but I'd rather wait to see what his replacement does.

petroleum I doubt is mafia because he is going against the flow so much, but I could see them as an SK who killed robb and is playing like town.

Can we seriously just lynch dragon or mario today -_-

[Infinity 324]

Why I justified: it was brought up as me being contradictory when, in fact, I wasn't actually crumbing in the traditional sense. I've already stated that multiple times.

Yes, but you explained it more than you needed to which was what pinged me in the first place.

I asked what about that post you found scummy, not that I was concerned you found it scummy.

You certainly showed you were concerned about it...

As town, it is my goal to be townread by other town members so that they trust my reads as genuine and don't mislynch me. I don't think wanting to understand what you found scummy in order to refute that point and show you that I am town is in itself scum behavior.

I thought you weren't concerned about the fact I found it scummy...

It wasn't out of proportion. You exclaimed I was scum for those reasons and I went on to disprove you by responding to the actual points. You then ignored the points I made in retort and continued to call me scum by saying the conversation itself was scummy. You're ignorance of my previous arguments and absolute misrepresentation of what I've said is why I think you are scum

It was out of proportion, because you insisted on getting into a long argument about one post I found scummy, and continuing it even when it was clear it was getting nowhere. Only scum need to make sure they dissolve any possible suspicion on them, that's why I say continuing the conversation was scummy. I ignored your arguments because the discussion was getting nowhere and I had seen enough. Plus where did I misrepresent what you said?

[Creature]

Why we should wait atm487's replacement but not Mario's?

[Infinity 324]

I've seen enough from mario's slot tbh, atm just did very little in general. Thought it might be good to at least have his replacement say

something

.

[Infinity 324]

Guess DGB already gave up.

That was fast.

VOTE: DGB

???

I am now seeing DotW as town and Infinity 324 as scum.

Why the sudden change? Do you not agree that dragon has been overdefensive this game?

Can you respond to this please

[Creature]

DGB looks pretty different from when I saw her catching up.

I am getting a gut feeling DotW is town and I am thinking you're sounding different compared to Mini 1796.

[Infinity 324]

3.)

Infinity 324, could you please quote and explain why you think Dragon of the West has been "

over

defensive"? And why does that make him scum?

@petroleumjelly, That crumb wasn't intended purely as a crumb. I posted that in hopes to jog Robb's memory of the neighborhood. Like I mentioned before, I forgot to post in it for a few days. When I finally did post in it, he didn't respond. That OOC post was to remind him to check because he hadn't responded in three days since my first post. He posted in the neighborhood thread that night, so I took it that it worked to remind him.
As for the Eggman crumb, I just felt uncomfortable about it. I wouldn't ever see a reason to legitimately crumb VT but that's me. I realize now that it may have just been something Eggman may do, while I do still take issue with it in general. Finally, I never tried to "push the lynch through". I solely was supporting my reason for my vote on him. Not trying to convince anyone to hammer in that moment

This part is overdefensive because he feels the need to explain beyond the point about the neighbor crumb.

Then, like I said before, he continues the conversation when it's not really getting anywhere, just to try and defend himself.

Town wouldn't care nearly as much as dragon does about one person's scumread on them.

[atm487]

rest in peace

[Infinity 324]

-_- Seriously dude?

[Derek12]

@Creature:

Try #3. Wish me luck guys.

@Creature:

I still want these answered.

If F-oh-ex is scum, it'd make DotW look pretty town.

Scum team: F-oh-ex/atm487/petroleumjelly

SK: DrippingGoofball (not posting anything? scum)

What's your case on petroleum? I'm pretty sure you were townreading him D1.

If F-oh-ex is scum, it'd make DotW look pretty town.

Could you explain this quickly?

[Derek12]

It feels like Creature is just throwing out scum reads randomly to see what sticks. He's called a majority of the player base scum at some point during this day, but the scum reads are never really explained at all and seem to disappear at random.

[petroleumjelly]

1.)

One of my best guesses for scum is actually atm487, but he has never gotten around to answering my questions and now he's being replaced. MarioManiac4 being replaced actually seems like a slight Towntell to me, though I don't think the reasoning for why is very 'good.'

Can you explain why you think Mario being replaced is a towntell? regardless of how good the reasoning is

Because there is Daytalk in this game. If MarioManiac4 was simply lurking in-game while posting more frequently in a scum QT, I think the Mod would be less willing to replace him. Not great reasoning, and not reasoning I would hang my hat on if pushed.

I still do have a slight Townread on him, though. I have tried to compare his play in this game to some of his posting in Mini Normal #1744 Mafia Forum. In that QT where Daytalk was also available, MarioManiac4 seemed to have spurts of posting every few days and seemed fairly aware of in-game events. His play in the game itself (see Mini Normal #1744) generally seemed aggressive and revolved around interactivity (i.e., with a gameplan / coordination). That seems to be lacking in this game (i.e., he seems more lost / lacking motivation). Of course he

could

be scum who is similarly disinterested in the game, but the whole picture makes me lean Town on him.

[atm487]

memerino

[F-oh-ex]

DGB looks pretty different from when I saw her catching up.

I am getting a gut feeling DotW is town and I am thinking you're sounding different compared to Mini 1796.

MFW Creatures tries to metaread after over 9001 failed metareads.

[F-oh-ex]

1.)

One of my best guesses for scum is actually atm487, but he has never gotten around to answering my questions and now he's being replaced. MarioManiac4 being replaced actually seems like a slight Towntell to me, though I don't think the reasoning for why is very 'good.'

Can you explain why you think Mario being replaced is a towntell? regardless of how good the reasoning is

Because there is Daytalk in this game. If MarioManiac4 was simply lurking in-game while posting more frequently in a scum QT, I think the Mod would be less willing to replace him. Not great reasoning, and not reasoning I would hang my hat on if pushed.

Mod said in first post that replacement happens if a player requests a replacement or gets prodded 3 times. Prods happen if a player doesn't talk in game and I don't think QTs matter. You're grasping straws which is scummy.