Open 642 - The Woodshed - Game Over

[Titus]

side note that Titus's lack of presence is concerning. I'd say the thread has a dadv feel except the whole game has been dead so it's hard to say the wolves are just happy with the direction of day and hanging back. half of the living players have made count-on-one-hand posts since I replaced in

I've had RL concerns. Stepping it up now. My mother in law was admitted to the hospital and I run my own business.

[mhsmith0]

Mhsmith or Ranger should eat rope today.

??? Weren't you just recently saying IV's lynch list (which had me in it ) sucked? Why the change of heart?

[DrippingGoofball]

Take care Titus

is mhsmith town?

[PantherPunt]

Take care Titus

is mhsmith town?

depends who you ask. what do you think? also, how much have you read (for 3rd time)

[PantherPunt]

going to be largely absent until the 25th but I'll do my best to check in regularly on mobile. I say this like I'm not going to be top/2nd poster over that time

[Titus]

Take care Titus

is mhsmith town?

I thought so but I'm reconsidering with the wagon data now that I'm getting into this.

[AlpacaAlpaca]

I still think that BTD is scum apparently his meta is mislynch bait but he still has my strongest feeling with the way he was posting. I am coming around on scum ranger but I also don't feel confident being able to pick out a scum ranger vs a town ranger so I am going to leave that as is until later. On one hand I can see Smith as scum but his tunnel on Ranger has been pretty consistent the whole game and if was scum and Ranger turned out town not only would that look bad for him but also Ranger would still be around to talk us into voting Smith potentially, I would be pretty impressed if he was scum. I see Goofy as pretty sketchy and I am leaning scum on him as well.

Mhsmith or Ranger should eat rope today.

??? Weren't you just recently saying IV's lynch list (which had me in it ) sucked? Why the change of heart?

He probably said that because the list had him in it

In post 243, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
I didn't need anything else. That post alone is why I death tunneled you. You gave your self away man.

Same with this one. And it's about IV's reply to his terrible post 71 where I fully agreed with IV's reply to him. His reason was "you're asking others for reads instead of trying to solve" which was 1) demonstrably false and 2) not anything in any game where on page 3 you'd genuinely believe someone "gave themselves away." it's just a fake and bad reason to justify a tunnel on someone

The strenth of Shotty's reasons is completely irrelevant. It is painfully clear that Shotty believed that he had caught scum.

Disagree. And I think that this post was the only post that looked potentially more fake

Alpaca's awakward "this is a long twilight" pinged me out to. Like he was fearful of saying anything about the situation

that was actually my sketchy version of a prodge because i hadn't posted in more than 2 days and we were just about to hit night and I had nothing else to say and I didn't think it would be seen as scummy until after I did it but even than you would have to be pretty newb scum to say something like that, which I am pretty sure I am not.

[AlpacaAlpaca]

Wait, scum cannot be off the wagons entirely. Doh! So we're probably looking at every wagon being unaligned pairs.

1) why can't alpaca be the scum off wagon FYPOV? Or did you just mean that both wolves couldn't be off wagon?

2) while both wolves together seems less likely, is there a particular reason to discount the possibility here?

3) in your opinion, which wagon of
mhsmith0 - (2) Ranger, BTD6_maker
BTD6_maker - (2) PantherPunt, Town Mafioso
Ranger - (2) mhsmith0, DrippingGoofball
Is likeliest to have no wolves on it and why?

Well thats obvously because I'm town

[DrippingGoofball]

Take care Titus

is mhsmith town?

depends who you ask. what do you think? also, how much have you read (for 3rd time)

Not much

I like to interact with players directly.

[DrippingGoofball]

Alpaca is town

[AlpacaAlpaca]

See this is why I have issues with you, you say people are town for pretty bad reasons as far as I can tell unless you want to elaborate on why you think im town from that

[DrippingGoofball]

I say you're town because you said you're town and I agreed LOL

[mhsmith0]

@alpaca: you'd posted a couple times while btd was at l-1. If they were your top read, why didn't you state intent to demand a claim from them then?

[mhsmith0]

Take care Titus

is mhsmith town?

I thought so but I'm reconsidering with the wagon data now that I'm getting into this.

What about the wagon data suggests I'm an arsonist?

[Titus]

It's more one or the other but not likely both in the VCs. It's just eyeball guesswork but I need to do something to get invested.

[AlpacaAlpaca]

I say you're town because you said you're town and I agreed LOL

Did you consider I was scum saying I was town? Not to get rid of your town read on me but I am just curious

@alpaca: you'd posted a couple times while btd was at l-1. If they were your top read, why didn't you state intent to demand a claim from them then?

Because I need to learn to vote more because there is always a little part of me that says what if they are town and so I usually don't vote but I am working on it and on that note I will start here
VOTE: BTD
Also the deadline is actually approaching this time, we have 2 days left

[Ranger]

If so can you explain why you had shotty as a stronger town read than kappy?

It basically comes down to: I have held reason to think everyone is scum in the game at least at some point.
...Except shotty, who was null, to nulltown.

Which, in this cursed game, makes his slot my strongest townread!

I love doing this where I finish one game and then sub into another with some of the same players because it's where I'm at my best on reading them.

Speaking of which, I can tell you I just modded a game with BTD6 as scum. It's officially over now, so you can read it.
It's hard to say for certain, but I don't think this is the same him.

[mhsmith0]

@ranger: Speaking of that game...

VOTE: btd ^6^ scum post

p-edit
Kappy
s point may be weak but look at BTD's reaction

How is my reaction scummy? I'm honestly tired of repeating myself over and over again.

Mhsmith, I did think an IV/Ranger team was likely, and I found both of them scummy by themselves. The Tree claim was just a weak comment but I would not have hammered a claimed Firefighter.

Also, in my experience, scum have never claimed a PR

. You are assuming that small comments I make are the whole reason for the hammer, which is false. I don't see why you think pointing out the flaws in your reasoning is scummy.

Also, I never said I wanted to lynch a Tree or that a Tree lynch is good. Once again, you are using irrelevant comments as my whole case, which is misrepresenting me. That comment was not hedging.

I will also post a "case" on IV showing why I scumread him at the time.

Did you pick up on this one? Btd6 had done EXACTLY what they said they'd never seen ( fake claim pr as wolf) in that game, AND it helped them escape the d1 noose. I expected this to pong you to the point you'd be a lot more curious about btd6 in general, even if you couldn't mention this specifically since it was an ongoing game. So I'd like to know:

1) did you notice it?
2) if yes, why didn't this make you a lot more interested in sorting btd6?

Also, we've both seen btd6 as town (open 644) and wolf (micro 610). What about this game makes you think it's more comparable to the town game than the wolf game?

[mhsmith0]

@alpaca:

I still think that BTD is scum apparently his meta is mislynch bait but he still has my strongest feeling with the way he was posting.

What specifically about the way that btd was posting convinced you? Any one post in particular? I'd like to get a better handle on how and why you're reading them. You'd talked about it a bit a while ago, but I'd like yu to expand on it a but and discuss if anything of late has impacted your thinking.

Ps I'll give you the opposite advice as I gave btd. If/when you're town, it's ok to be a bit more confident in your votes. Part of the process of scum hunting is to put your vote and reasons out there and see how people react, both your target and the rest of the board. If/when you're wrong, you'll give people the chance to evaluate why you're wrong, and be better able to read you.

The thing is, scum hunting is hard, but fake scum hunting is even harder. The more you work to contribute to an active environment of scum hunting, the more the scum either stand out for not doing the same, or the harder they have to work at pretending to scum hunt (and the harder they have to work at it, the likelier they are to screw it up).

[Xkfyu]

I'm pretty sure that DGB, Panther, and Ranger are town. So, I won't consider voting for any of them today.

I'm not sure at all who the scum are though.

[Xkfyu]

Reading ISOs.

Smith, your posts are just.......long.

[Xkfyu]

Ok, I've read enough of Smith's posts to know that I'm not willing to vote him today as well.

That only leaves Alpaca, BTD, and Titus.

[mhsmith0]

@xkfyu: why on the town reads for each of the four? I don't need an essay but would like a bit more than "they're town"

[Xkfyu]

@xkfyu: why on the town reads for each of the four? I don't need an essay but would like a bit more than "they're town"

Says the guy who writes nothing but essays lol.

Anyways, DGB, Panther, and Ranger are all based on their (or their predecessor's) reactions around the time that IV's scum claim gambit. I know Panther says that they could have been faked, but I feel good enough about them to not consider voting them today.

Honestly, I'd like to throw BTD into that pile as well, but out of all of them, his seemed the least genuine. Plus, I haven't seen anything yet in his ISO that I have really liked.

In respect to you, your posts just seem like genuine town trying to solve the game. Someone mentioned you asking a lot of questions, but not taking any serious stances, if I remember correctly, but that doesn't really concern me, as I have a tendency to do that as town on a pretty regular basis.

[Xkfyu]

Mod, V/LA until 9th July. My Internet is unpredictable here. I will still try to be active when I can, though.

Anyway, still nothing from Ranger about why it was the best option to self-vote. If there is no reply we need to seriously consider Mhsmith's idea, that Ranger was just trying to deliberately avoid being lynched by self-voting, and in that case we must consider lynching Ranger.

VOTE: Ranger

I am fairly sure that at least one of Ranger/Mhsmith is scum now.

I hate everything about this post.

1) implied "if ranger DOES reply then never mind"
2) writes it in a way designed CLEARLY to blame me if ranger flips town, while basically just sleeping part of my read on her
3) naked "well one of them is wolf" bit
4) slides right in to the l-2 slot from someone who's been bandwagoning all game

Btd, if you were anything other than consistent mislynch bait I'd be all over you for that vote. As it is... I dunno. I still hate it.

Smith, why'd you say that BTD was mislynch bait here?