Mini 1805 [C'est fini!]

[petroleumjelly]

1.)

One of my best guesses for scum is actually atm487, but he has never gotten around to answering my questions and now he's being replaced. MarioManiac4 being replaced actually seems like a slight Towntell to me, though I don't think the reasoning for why is very 'good.'

Can you explain why you think Mario being replaced is a towntell? regardless of how good the reasoning is

Because there is Daytalk in this game. If MarioManiac4 was simply lurking in-game while posting more frequently in a scum QT, I think the Mod would be less willing to replace him. Not great reasoning, and not reasoning I would hang my hat on if pushed.

Mod said in first post that replacement happens if a player requests a replacement or gets prodded 3 times. Prods happen if a player doesn't talk in game and I don't think QTs matter. You're grasping straws which is scummy.

"Grasping at straws" for what? My

slight

Townread on MarioManiac4?

Additionally, MarioManiac4 has only been prodded twice over the course of the game (not three times), and there is no indication he requested replacement (unlike Smithereens, who the Mod explicitly told us requested replacement). By the rules of the game, it does not appear that MarioManiac4 should be replaced yet.

[Infinity 324]

F-oh-ex, do you have a scumread on petroleum?

[F-oh-ex]

1.)

One of my best guesses for scum is actually atm487, but he has never gotten around to answering my questions and now he's being replaced. MarioManiac4 being replaced actually seems like a slight Towntell to me, though I don't think the reasoning for why is very 'good.'

Can you explain why you think Mario being replaced is a towntell? regardless of how good the reasoning is

Because there is Daytalk in this game. If MarioManiac4 was simply lurking in-game while posting more frequently in a scum QT, I think the Mod would be less willing to replace him. Not great reasoning, and not reasoning I would hang my hat on if pushed.

Mod said in first post that replacement happens if a player requests a replacement or gets prodded 3 times. Prods happen if a player doesn't talk in game and I don't think QTs matter. You're grasping straws which is scummy.

"Grasping at straws" for what? My

slight

Townread on MarioManiac4?

Additionally, MarioManiac4 has only been prodded twice over the course of the game (not three times), and there is no indication he requested replacement (unlike Smithereens, who the Mod explicitly told us requested replacement). By the rules of the game, it does not appear that MarioManiac4 should be replaced yet.

You still throw in something that undermines him. The fact that you claim townreading him is even more suspicious in conjuncture with it.
Wouldn't THIS time be the third prof for MM4=sub?

[F-oh-ex]

F-oh-ex, do you have a scumread on petroleum?

In my most recent read list I put him as scumlean. I'll ISO him and get back to you with it. I will have ISOed a few people by Sunday.

[DrippingGoofball]

memerino

uh

[F-oh-ex]

He's getting replaced.

[DrippingGoofball]

We could lynch that slot.

[Infinity 324]

Ok this is stupid.

I want everyone to list their top 3 lynch targets for today and explain in detail, if you haven't already, why they are there. Then at least we will have something to discuss and we can compromise or if worst comes to worst just plurality lynch where everyone gets on the wagon of the most popular scum spect. For me it would be dragon, Mario, and eggman.

Or at least say something, I'd rather get into stupid arguments with dragon that this. Hopefully the replacements will help.

[atm487]

so everyone lynching me> great, now i can join a different game

[Infinity 324]

Just replace out and stop posting

[Dragon of the West]

I would love to just list lynch targets but honestly I can't narrow it down into a top 3 until I see atm's replacement, MM4's replacement, and more from DGB. DGB has been around but just adds a quick sentence and then is gone again. Doesn't add a ton of new info and at the moment is just saying we should go ahead a lynch a practically empty slot(atm)

[Infinity 324]

What are your reads on eggman and mario

[atm487]

i will never comply with you you facist

[Dragon of the West]

MM4 i still think is scummy. He basically dipped out after narrowly escaping being lynched. And I never felt like he gave a satisfying post towards the end of day 1.
Eggman is a townlean but I'd like to ISO him tomorrow and give you more in depth thoughts on him

[petroleumjelly]

FoS: F-oh-ex

1.)

You still throw in something that undermines him. The fact that you claim townreading him is even more suspicious in conjuncture with it.
Wouldn't THIS time be the third prof for MM4=sub?

I'm not following the logic as to why this is "suspicious."

And no -- the prods that I recently requested on atm487, Eggman, and MarioManiac4 involved the second prod on MarioManiac4, not the third. You could have easily looked this up yourself.

2.)

Since we're on the topic of MarioManiac4, how about you explain your end of Day One vote?

As the deadline neared and directly before I left for V/LA, I broke the 4-vote tie between crazycrabman and MarioManiac4 by voting for MarioManiac4. You then hopped online and voted for crazycrabman. This brought the game to a 5-5 tie. You then looked into the situation and concluded that if a lynch is going to happen, somebody was going to have to compromise and switch their vote:

I think it's safe to assume that crazy and MM4 will crosslynch, unless they don't post at atll together. That would make the deciding vote... atm, who's on a leave of absence.

That means someone will have to switch wagons for the lynch to happen.

You

had the power right there to put MarioManiac4 at six votes, but you did not. As far as I can tell, you never even offered to.

Why?

[Sméagol]

Mod said in first post that replacement happens if a player requests a replacement or gets prodded 3 times. Prods happen if a player doesn't talk in game and I don't think QTs matter. You're grasping straws which is scummy.

Sorry, when I updated my ruleset, I somehow removed the explicit info that players will also be replaced after failing to respond to a prod (which you do by posting in the gamethread within 24 hours of receiving the prod), which was the case with the last 2 replacements. Mario has yet to even read the PM (I'm pretty sure I didn't miss some VLA notice). Atm.. has posted in the meantime, and before I actually found a replacement, but I doubt his activity is going to be productive, so I'm taking the replacement.

Speaking of which:

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atm487

has been replaced by

Titus

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MarioManiac4

has been replaced by

NJAC

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Deadline has been extended with 3 days.

I'll edit the OP later.

[Sméagol]

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Day 2 #05

DrippingGoofball [

1

]:

petroleumjelly

Creature [

2

]:

F-oh-ex

/

Dragon of the West

NJAC [

2

]:

Eggman

/

DrippingGoofball

Dragon of the West [

1

]:

Infinity 324

Titus [

1

]:

Creature

Abstaining [3]:

NJAC / Derek12 / Titus

There are 10 active players.
Absolute majority is

6

.
Majority has

not

been reached.

Previous vote count
Next vote count

Spoiler: Current player list

[01]

DrippingGoofball

[02]

Creature

[03]

NJAC

[04] Robbnva † -

town

- role cop neighbour - killed night 1

[05] Dwlee99 † -

town

- vanilla - killed night 1

[06]

petroleumjelly

[07]

Dragon of the West

[08]

Derek12

[09]

Infinity 324

[10]

F-oh-ex

[11]

Eggman

[12]

Titus

[13] crazycrabman † -

town

- vanilla - lynched day 1

Spoiler: Days & nights

Day 1

Night 1

Day 2

Deadline is

31-07-2016 00:00:00 CEST

((expired on 2016-07-31 00:00:00)).

[Titus]

Hi there. Confirming role PM receipt. Will read tomorrow.

Anyone have anything they want me to read asap?

[F-oh-ex]

FoS: F-oh-ex

1.)

You still throw in something that undermines him. The fact that you claim townreading him is even more suspicious in conjuncture with it.
Wouldn't THIS time be the third prof for MM4=sub?

I'm not following the logic as to why this is "suspicious."

And no -- the prods that I recently requested on atm487, Eggman, and MarioManiac4 involved the second prod on MarioManiac4, not the third. You could have easily looked this up yourself.

2.)

Since we're on the topic of MarioManiac4, how about you explain your end of Day One vote?

As the deadline neared and directly before I left for V/LA, I broke the 4-vote tie between crazycrabman and MarioManiac4 by voting for MarioManiac4. You then hopped online and voted for crazycrabman. This brought the game to a 5-5 tie. You then looked into the situation and concluded that if a lynch is going to happen, somebody was going to have to compromise and switch their vote:

I think it's safe to assume that crazy and MM4 will crosslynch, unless they don't post at atll together. That would make the deciding vote... atm, who's on a leave of absence.

That means someone will have to switch wagons for the lynch to happen.

You

had the power right there to put MarioManiac4 at six votes, but you did not. As far as I can tell, you never even offered to.

Why?

Ad. 1. My mistake if this was a second prod. I still think that "host meta" is garbage, it's ridiculous that you find getting replaced alignment indicative.

FoS on DGB for wanting to lynch "a slot" before replacement happens. WTF?

Ad. 2. If you had read my previous posts, you would know that I scumread crazy quite strongly while MM4 was a townlean to me. You think I need to "explain" why I voted my scumread over my townlean? And yes, I never offered to switch, quite a few people were sitting on the fence and offered to switch while my mind was made up.

Also read my Post 1189
I voted Creature at the time, who was my strongest scumread, and clearly stated that if majority doesn't gather on that wagon, I'll go for crazy. Vote count was 4-2 for MM4-crazy at the time.

[F-oh-ex]

FoS: F-oh-ex

1.)

You still throw in something that undermines him. The fact that you claim townreading him is even more suspicious in conjuncture with it.
Wouldn't THIS time be the third prof for MM4=sub?

I'm not following the logic as to why this is "suspicious."

This might be tunnelling from me. I try to self-analyse my games for finding flaws and I seem to be prone to getting into 1v1 banters and tunnelling when I dislike the person's response. I try to wait a bit with responding so that I don't do this kind of thing but apparently I still do these newbie mistakes. The suspicious part was a big stretch from my part.

[NJAC]

Hi there. Confirming role PM receipt. Will read in a while.

Anyone has anything they want me to read ASAP?

[NJAC]

@Egg and @DGB:

Why are you voting me?

[petroleumjelly]

1.)

Ad. 2. If you had read my previous posts, you would know that I scumread crazy quite strongly while MM4 was a townlean to me. You think I need to "explain" why I voted my scumread over my townlean? And yes, I never offered to switch, quite a few people were sitting on the fence and offered to switch while my mind was made up.

I have read your previous posts, and I am aware you claimed to have a "Townlean" on MarioManiac4 and a "Scumlean" on crazycrabman. And I did read that you would shift from Creature to crazycrabman. Your reasoning seems to boil down to a single quote:

MM4 is somewhat of a townlean to me but that might stem from the fact I strongly scumread Creature and I don't see them as a duo. Compare and contrats with my scumread of crab who is mutually exclusive to be scum with Creature.

As far as I can tell, the fact that you did not think MarioManiac4 is paired with Creature was your only reasoning for thinking MarioManiac4 is Town. Which is not particularly strong reasoning when we were pushed up against a deadline and just need to lynch

somebody

. The fact that you set yourself up from switching from Creature to crazycrabman does not explain why you were seemingly unwilling to switch to voting for MarioManiac4.

2.)

And yes, I never offered to switch, quite a few people were sitting on the fence and offered to switch while my mind was made up.

That actually does not seem terribly accurate with the timeline. Before you made your post saying that "somebody has to switch," the only person who seemed on the fence enough to switch their vote was Dragon of the West:

Ah crap I didn't even get to check if the server was back up today. I spent all of yesterday constantly refreshing my browser. Due to the deadline being so close I'm gonna keep my vote on Mario while it has the most votes. I'm open to voting for a crazy lynch as well if it is the closest to getting the majority of votes needed near deadline. I'll be back in the morning to reread the thread from today and post final thoughts before deadline

Only afterwards did Eggman and Creature offer potential switch votes:

Intent to Hammer: MM4

If he's town, that would reluctantly make me townread Smithereens, who I've had suspicion on all game. If not, hooray.

I'll hammer whichever wagon gets 6 votes when the deadline is close, but if both are on 6 votes, I'll give preference to hammer MM4.

The basic gist here is that at the time you realized somebody had to compromise between crazycrabman and MarioManiac4, you made no move towards compromising.

3.)

F-oh-ex, what is

current

read on MarioManiac4? Additionally, can you go into more detail about what specifically you found scummy in my thinking there was a slight Towntell on him? Were you trying to imply that I am scum with MarioManiac4? Or that I was trying to establish a "fake" Townread on him?

4.)

Sorry, when I updated my ruleset, I somehow removed the explicit info that players will also be replaced after failing to respond to a prod (which you do by posting in the gamethread within 24 hours of receiving the prod), which was the case with the last 2 replacements. Mario has yet to even read the PM (I'm pretty sure I didn't miss some VLA notice).

For the record, this does remove the potential Towntell for MarioManiac4's replacement.

[Eggman]

Ok this is stupid.

I want everyone to list their top 3 lynch targets for today and explain in detail, if you haven't already, why they are there. Then at least we will have something to discuss and we can compromise or if worst comes to worst just plurality lynch where everyone gets on the wagon of the most popular scum spect. For me it would be dragon, Mario, and eggman.

Or at least say something, I'd rather get into stupid arguments with dragon that this. Hopefully the replacements will help.

Smithereens / DGB: I've already written a post on Smithereens, I'll go over DGB's iso tonight.
MM4 / NJAC: mainly because of lurking and the slot's defense of Smithereens
I wanted to lynch atm for his --posting / inactivity, but I think Titus will breathe some fresh air into the slot. So, uh, strike that.
Creature: I don't remember the exact reason for it, but we could try revisiting this lynch from D1?

[Eggman]

I'm not sure who the third mafioso could be, but I'm pretty sure on {DGB, NJAC}.