New York 196: My Game, My Flavor Mafia (Mafia Win)

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i figured out another thing in the shower.

Remember how motion was detected on Varsoon n1?

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And yeah I agree beeboy was probably a vig shot. Only other possibility I can think of is that scum ALSO have a rolecop.

And full vig is a thing.

[Boem_u_dusi]

i figured out another thing in the shower.

Remember how motion was detected on Varsoon n1?

That makes it more likely Varsoon was a green check.

[kraska77]

isnt neopolitean(whatever the spelling) a cop of sorts anyway

[Boem_u_dusi]

And yeah I agree beeboy was probably a vig shot. Only other possibility I can think of is that scum ALSO have a rolecop.

And full vig is a thing.

Scum HAD a rolecop (Vedith).

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when I say rolecop I mean an actual rolecop. It's theoretically possible they have both a rolecop and a neapolitan, given how many non-vanilla town there are. I'm saying the only way I can imagine beeboy being a scumkill is if he had been rolecopped or in some other way suspected as an odd night cop or other PR.

[Boem_u_dusi]

So neapolitan/commuter/jailkeeper/??? is scumteam by roles.

It's also possible there are 1 mafia and 1 traitor left. Is 4 mafia among 19 players a bit too much town-sided? Especially if town has a vig.

[Boem_u_dusi]

Odd-night cop, motion detector, a vig, doctor/nurse/backup nurse, jailkeeper. Somebody is lying here or there is no way 4 mafia are among 19 players. This is too much power for town.

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I disagree, I think.

Odd-night cop is a decent PR.

Jailkeeper is good.

Vig (or 3-shot vig) is pretty good.

doc/nurse/backup nurse essentially together act as one doctor that will take a long time to kill, but are not as strong as 3 independent PRs by any means.

The motion detector is an extremely weak PR (although given GiF's misconstrual of it it may be slightly stronger) and is made weaker by being 2-shot.

Plus we have at least two macho townies who, although they act as false positives for the neapolitan, are also negative utility especially if the town has so much protection and sort of act to balance out the doctor chain's power by giving the doctors less freedom over who to protect.

[kraska77]

if we look at past NKs, it's apparent that mafia didnt care to eliminate PRs so much as kill those whose deaths wont generate much info or obfuscate town. there was already a lot of PR-doubting sentiment since day 1 on beeboy and other claimers and beeboy was not doing much at all or influencing town perception to warrant a mafia check on him rather than others. i doubt there's a scum rolecop or that beeboy was killed because of his role. it's probably either dunn shot him or mafia eliminated another person whose death wont provide town with info(except it did because we know he's a cop now)

[Boem_u_dusi]

All those awesome roles and I got lousy Vanilla Townie

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kraska, another possible that the reason for scum's killing pattern is that they were afraid of the doctor chain.

[Varsoon]

Well what now

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Hey does everyone think that there's a jailkeeper and a mafia jailkeeper?

Serious question, I haven't played many setups on this website especially large ones. So I wanna know if something like that is plausible.

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Well what now

Who did you nurse tonight out of curiosity?

[Varsoon]

...you don't 'nurse' people.
You doctor people.
Nurse is just a backup doctor.

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Who did you use your night action on?

[Varsoon]

Nurse doesn't have a night action.

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so there's another doctor, perhaps a mafia doctor? but that makes 0 sense with commuter/jaikeeper

[Varsoon]

I don't think you understand?
Peregrine was a Doctor.
Some other player was a Nurse, which become a doctor when a Doctor dies.
I am a backup Nurse, which becomes a Nurse when a Nurse either dies or become a doctor.

Peregrine was lynched and flipped doctor.
I was then made a Nurse, because the Nurse player became a Doctor.

I forget who claimed odd-night (or was it even-night?) doctor, but they should fall under some scrutiny here.

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oh okay so someone is currently a doctor

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does said doctor wanna claim to validate varsoon

[Boem_u_dusi]

Mirhawk claimed even-night doctor, God save his soul.

[Boem_u_dusi]

Serious dilemma here is whether Almost50 is jailkeeper or not and whom he saved previous night.

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should we just mass honestlyl