Open 646 - Semi Nightless - Game Over (D6)

[mhsmith0]

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Ok so I agree it was a bad post, but why reaching in a necessarily scummy way as opposed to simply making a dumb argument as possible town in conf!bias or "screw you" mode? I don't really see how that particular moment was substantially AI compared to all of the other back and forth he'd been involved in.

Also, you bumped up rosske on your list right around then, despite thinking that karnos was looking worse (while rosske voted io on the same back and forth). What was driving your rosske read shift at that time?

[Luna Fox]

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Ok so I agree it was a bad post, but why reaching in a necessarily scummy way as opposed to simply making a dumb argument as possible town in conf!bias or "screw you" mode? I don't really see how that particular moment was substantially AI compared to all of the other back and forth he'd been involved in.

Also, you bumped up rosske on your list right around then, despite thinking that karnos was looking worse (while rosske voted io on the same back and forth). What was driving your rosske read shift at that time?

Thing is that i dont like having less than Possible Scum+1 in non townreads, some rosske's posts have already given me some town vibes tho not enough to move them to townreads over the other 3.

[Luna Fox]

Oh and i actually forgot to answer the first part, derp.
Possibly? It looked to me like he was starting to make up reasons to scumread people to keep his story straight.

[Luna Fox]

It is true that town's usually more stupid than scum in terms of scumhunting, my first townread on him came from their first posts, as it went on, i just got tired of reading all the walls because the back and forth arguing over whether someone was lying or not felt not worth it to me, it felt like listening to a song on autoloop, i did stop reading the walls because i found it not worth after a while.

[mhsmith0]

Oh and i actually forgot to answer the first part, derp.
Possibly? It looked to me like he was starting to make up reasons to scumread people to keep his story straight.

So can you talk this through a bit more? Why does wolf!karnos need to make up more reasons to push on io after having already made up a few others? Is this just shoveling more crap forward and seeing if anything sticks? Something else?

I also don't really understand the "keep his story straight" bit, what do you mean by this?

[mhsmith0]

Also, what posts in particular seemed towny from rosske?

[Luna Fox]

Also, what posts in particular seemed towny from rosske?

I linked 2 posts that you can find on my ISO (i'll look for them later) that gave me some townvibes.
Also the latest string of posts from Rosske i liked, which made me feel better about my townread there.

[Luna Fox]

Oh and i actually forgot to answer the first part, derp.
Possibly? It looked to me like he was starting to make up reasons to scumread people to keep his story straight.

So can you talk this through a bit more? Why does wolf!karnos need to make up more reasons to push on io after having already made up a few others?

Is this just shoveling more crap forward and seeing if anything sticks?

Something else?

I also don't really understand the "keep his story straight" bit, what do you mean by this?

The bolded is a possibility.
Because his whole thing about "a lie" from an earlier post is failing and then he switched gears to another reason... that's also bad.

[Luna Fox]

here i was already asked about this before.

270 and 399
Which are posts i had missed before somehow, but read them when Transcend tried to accuse him of contradicting himself (there is no contradiction btw), i just didnt think it made it town enough at the time to be with my townreads, plus i like always having at least Scum Ammount+1 on left overs. Now with Karnos reaching it's possible that Karnos is scum which killed my townread there, but i think PC's more likely to flip scum due to intentionally avoiding this thread after getting heat.

I'd prefer if at least you looked for it, since i've explained almost all my reads (or all of them) at this point, and then ask if anything's changed since then.

[mhsmith0]

Ok I'll re-read and look for it.

[Thor665]

@all: current thoughts on Luna? For the #1 volume poster she sure seems to be saying not very much interesting/helpful.

I find her nullish - I don't have an issue with the highest volume poster having less content offered than the average - that is actually pretty normal in my opinion, especially since about 25% of her posts are just complaints about how other people are presenting thoughts. Same thing with Transcend - doesn't suggest alignment, suggests playstyle. Ignoring it all.

[Io]

I don't have a problem with Luna really.
And I do like smith.

Sorry for the short post I'm about to go to another state for the next 2 days so I'll be V/LA for a short time, no more than 48 hours though.

[Thor665]

Extending semi-v/la through August 5th, will maintain as I have been, probably posting once a day, but might do occasional 24+ hour away spells.

That still makes me more active than some of you

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Tenshii, are you still scumreading Phantom? Walk me through your case if you are. I get the "well either we lose a VI or we get scum" but I'm really not seeing scum here.

Phantom, walk me through your scumread of Luna and me. Do you think we're scum together?

[Tenshii]

Tenshii, are you still scumreading Phantom? Walk me through your case if you are. I get the "well either we lose a VI or we get scum" but I'm really not seeing scum here.

Phantom, walk me through your scumread of Luna and me. Do you think we're scum together?

Hops on a bandwagon (Karnos) and justifies it with RVS. Eventually townreads (Karnos), his vote, but parks it anyway. Posted multiple times (aka multiple oppurtunities to unvote) without unvoting. Justifies it with not having a chance to reread through everything.

Town should be unvoting in this spot to decrease the chance of a townread getting lynched. I can't see any logical reason as to why town would act this way.

Iirc, any townread on him was justified with "He's acting so idiotic and/or scummy that he has to be town" which is garbage logic in and of itself. Which then leads to my logic of "Worst case scenario, lose VI. Best case scenario, flip scum." Getting rid of VI is better now than to keep VI into late game, especially when considering lylo.

[Tenshii]

Also, is it standard to just have read posts such as...

"I townread X, Y, Z and scumread A, B."

without justification? A majority of you guys just post reads without explaining why. Granted, some people explained how they got that read in previous posts but others just gather reads out of nowhere and don't explain them. But there are people that post reads without any explanation as to how they got there, which doesn't help me (and I assume others) read what you're thinking. *cough* Phantom *cough* And there are others that avoid explaining their reads when asked. *cough* Luna *cough*

@Phantom

@Luna

[Luna Fox]

And there are others that avoid explaining their reads when asked. *cough* Luna *cough*

I havent avoided explaining them when asked.
They are literally everywhere in my ISO.

[Luna Fox]

It just annoys me to have to repeat the same thing over and over again.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Tenshii, I hope you don't mind me saying I'll respond to this when I'm not phone posting? Your response deserves some evidence, even if it's meta stuff. I can ask questions and I just wanted to get it out there before I forgot.

[Tenshii]

And there are others that avoid explaining their reads when asked. *cough* Luna *cough*

I havent avoided explaining them when asked.
They are literally everywhere in my ISO.

Eeeeh. So based off of your ISO, you townread Io when she was 2 posts in. And never commented on it since. Other than like restating the fact you had a townread on her whenever you posted a reads post. Based off of your ISO, I have to assume your townread is because of those 2 posts and nothing else.

My point being, I don't believe you actually have all of those reads, or you just haven't explained everything. Or you just actually townread her off of those 2 posts?!? So it'd be nice if I could see where you're at.

@Giga Whatever floats your boat

[Killthestory]

i hope someone floats my boat

[Luna Fox]

Eeeeh. So based off of your ISO, you townread Io when she was 2 posts in. And never commented on it since. Other than like restating the fact you had a townread on her whenever you posted a reads post. Based off of your ISO, I have to assume your townread is because of those 2 posts and nothing else.

Huh, i could've sworn i explained my Io townread somewhere and i noticed that it's hard to ctrl+F it on my ISO due to io also being in "Isolation".
It was based off her answers to the RQS.

[Luna Fox]

Io: Their vote on me and the way they answered the RQS, plus they seem to really believethey found scum, i kinda find their posts genuine, although not like SCREAMING town genuine, but towny.

Wait i did explain it >.<

[Tenshii]

@Luna What's your reason for wanting to have X+1 in your leftovers? X being amount of scum alive.

[Luna Fox]

@Luna What's your reason for wanting to have X+1 in your leftovers? X being amount of scum alive.

Mostly coz if i didnt i'd end up townreading everyone.
It's a pet peeve of mine and helps me get more accurate results.