Open 646 - Semi Nightless - Game Over (D6)

[Luna Fox]

And if you're wondering why i didnt vote him at the time,

at the time i still had PC as possible scum, then giga linked a game and i read his ISO and checked his activity via timestamps in that game so i felt i could be wrong here

, and then switched my vote to my suspect with the highest wagon.

[mhsmith0]

I don't have a problem w io's postings, other than the fact that she's been largely an inactive. Otoh her inactivity doesn't really stand out in this board at this time. Did something ping you wrt her?

[Tenshii]

@Luna That is sooooo degenerate. Getting away with being bad town just because you've done it in the past is words I can't even explain. Assuming you're okay with his play, what actions would he have to do to convince you he's scum?

@mh Your 2nd reason for voting Karnos was poor arguments, yet Io made poor arguments towards Karnos. How hard is your Karnos scumread?

[Tenshii]

@mh Your 3rd states a 196 post but links to a Luna post.

[Luna Fox]

I lol'd

[Luna Fox]

I never said i was ok with his play, but if he's playing as town like this before, it's entirely plausible he's doing so again, which is why i switched my vote, he's still in my leftovers tho.
(My current leftovers are: Rosske, PC, KTS).

[Luna Fox]

And i specially dont like KTS posting lately, questions, no conclusions, a random townbloc which ask questions again, no conclusion.

It feels like he's doing stuff but going nowhere.

[Luna Fox]

Also i meant Karnos not Rosske

[mhsmith0]

mh Your 2nd reason for voting Karnos was poor arguments, yet Io made poor arguments towards Karnos. How hard is your Karnos scumread?

Which io arguments did you think were poor, specifically, and why?

And do you think karnos has defended himself in an honest and forthright manner? I feel like his defense has been sketchy, like he doesn't want to engage with the the actual case being made. And there's been a lack of clarity towards what he was even trying to do with his original posts (attack? Not attack? Just Thor? More than that?) that suggests that he's manly interested in just making the case go away.

So I don't have a read so strong that it's lock wolf or the like, but I think he's a pretty reasonably likely wolf, yes.

Pa the karnos post was 198, typo.

Pps players who are bad town or mislynch bait type get more room to screw up in general before you can be sure they're wolves. It's annoying, but part of the game.

[mhsmith0]

People implies plural, but only one person has not answered them, Thor665.
The way you worded this looks like just a roundabout way of saying Thor should be criticized more than you because he didn't answer without actually calling him directly out.

This one, for instance, seems ok to me. It reads motive into karnos actions, but it's a reasonable interpretation. And 79 is a poor defense against it. "I meant ____" is a specific, direct answer. Karnos didn't do that. And io's 83 pushes harder on karnos poor response, which again seems fine to me.

What am I missing?

[Luna Fox]

Moving smith to strong town

[Transcend]

Tone

Ok so you like the tone, but you've only seen karnos as town right? Why do you think tone is AI and not just indicative of karnos playing style in general?

Okay look I was at work on a tight schedule to give you an answer.

I'm not gonna suck this guy off, but he's town because of several reasons

1. My past game match with him parallels him right now, he's acting like noobtown.

2. The tone given in his posts appears genuine and consistent. No mood swings like other players.

3. His vote on Io seen as "reaching" is another reason I solidly townread him. While I don't think that he is voting mafia at the moment, I think that his vote was justified and the way he voted was towny. I just think it's wrong.

I can probably think of more, but those are the three main reasons.

[Transcend]

I don't want the guy at L-1, we really REALLY REALLY should use the lynch on Luna Fox or Rosske today, and if I have time, I'll case one of them probably Luna.

[Killthestory]

ill filler however the fuck i want to fo

[Transcend]

Will lynch Io > Karnos if I absolutely have to but I will not let rope go around Karnos' neck. I want it on Luna's neck.

[Tenshii]

@mh So I will preface this with saying that I think Karno's 70 is NAI. This can be town asking an earnest question (as he justfied in 140). This can be mafia, as you guys are interpreting it. Therefore, it is NAI. Does this logic make sense?

75 - Io attacks Karnos on an NAI post
83 - Making implications on yet another NAI. Then trying to support her argument by putting words into Karno's mouth. Karnos being adamant about a Thor lynch =/= Indirect attack
89 - Io retracts the fact she made an implication. Then runs back 83.

Even if I was stretching that a little bit his reaction to the accusation by voting me is plenty enough to make a full case on its own because really just accusing your accuser for stretching an interpretation a little isn't even a defense it's just dodging the accusation entirely to get me to stop attacking him. A defense from him wouldn't have even been that hard to make as all he would have needed to do was to explain how I was interrupting his intentions wrong.

Accusing for stretching an interpretation is a valid defense. And he did point out how it was wrong.

And do you think karnos has defended himself in an honest and forthright manner? I feel like his defense has been sketchy, like he doesn't want to engage with the the actual case being made. And there's been a lack of clarity towards what he was even trying to do with his original posts (attack? Not attack? Just Thor? More than that?) that suggests that he's manly interested in just making the case go away.

Yep. Not exactly the way I would've wanted it but good enough. What posts made you feel this way?

Pps players who are bad town or mislynch bait type get more room to screw up in general before you can be sure they're wolves. It's annoying, but part of the game.

That is sooooo degenerate. Getting away with being bad town just because you've done it in the past is words I can't even explain. What actions would they have to do to convince you they's scum? Aka if they get "more room," where is the line drawn?

I could explain why in detail but it'd involve text walls and based on the way things have gone down I figure that town isn't actually interested. But some of the highlights:

I'm interested

"I meant ____" is a specific, direct answer. Karnos didn't do that

Semantics

[Tenshii]

@Luna If what Phantom did isn't enough to convince you, what would he have to do to convince you he's scum?

[Transcend]

tenshii would you be interested in lynching luna fox y/n

[Tenshii]

Atm nah, I have a soft town read on her. But ayy let's lynch Phantom yea?

[Killthestory]

sure

[Transcend]

Atm nah, I have a soft town read on her. But ayy let's lynch Phantom yea?

i'd phant > karnos

but i think i'd rather lynch io or luna over phant.

[Transcend]

or rosskeif some how he got momentum

[Tenshii]

@KTS I wasn't even talking to you but ayy we take those. Hop on this one man choo choo train.

@Transcend, momentum, wdym?

[tojam2]

VC Day 1 - 8

Karnos L-1 - Luna Fox, Io, Thor665, gigabyte, mhsmith0

PhantomCobalt L-5 - Tenshii
Io L-4 - karnos, Rosske
Transcend L-5 - PhantomCobalt
Luna Fox L-5 - Transcend
Thor665 L-5 - Killthestory

(expired on 2016-07-29 16:30:00)

[Killthestory]

I FEEL LIKE QUICKHAMMERING

VOTE: KARNOS

good night