Mini 1802: Paint Mafia Sequel - Game Over!

[Zulfy]

You've yet to make even a smidgeon of a case.

[kraska77]

to those who read or played the previous game
are scum more likely to color themselves or color potential mislynch targets?

[RadiantCowbells]

Doesn't make me wrong!

[kraska77]

i think theyre more likely to color themselves

[TehBrawlGuy]

I didn't read the past game beyond a simple look into mechanics and roles, but if I were scum I would probably paint within my team. Town will be less and less trusting of blueflips as the game goes on, and redflips are going to come under heat no matter what. Alternatively, mass painting the Town red is not a bad strategy.

As far as Katsuki goes, I feel like it's prudent not to autoflip her. We don't really learn anything from an autoflip, and she's prime vigilante bait if we have such a role, or an investigative "wet checker", etc.

Pie lynch is incredibly dumb and not happening. Not sure where I want my vote. I re-read Bella and she seemed fine. Gonna have to do a bigger re-read soon(tm)

[RadiantCowbells]

Pie is a fantastic lynch. Shush.

[Zulfy]

Absolutely no one agrees. Move on.

[kraska77]

The weird things my brain does when I'm typing posts...post 1226 was supposed to have continuation, i think i just assumed I wrote the stuff because I was thinking them
Anyway that was @rc...why autolynch katsuki if pie flips town? From the (admittedly little) reading ive done, it seems nahdia is town. So if katsuki is scum then whoever their remaining buddy is, they're not doing a bad job at towntelling. My point is, since katsuki has been a lynch option on the table since day 1, then I guess they would be priority to use blue paint on if they're scum
a scenario where pie and katsuki are scum together and pie paints her slot blue and baits the color flip to protect katsuki seems plausible. But a scenario where pie is town and katsuki is scum doesn't make sense after the color flip

[RadiantCowbells]

Because it's more important to get the blue paint onto the person most likely to endgame. That would not be Katsuki.

Absolutely no one agrees. Move on.

If people would agree I wouldn't have to be a dick about it.
We're lynching Pieguyn.

[RadiantCowbells]

Because it's more important to get the blue paint onto the person most likely to endgame. That would not be Katsuki.

Absolutely no one agrees. Move on.

If people would agree I wouldn't have to be a dick about it.
We're lynching Pieguyn.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like if you really, seriously object to me replacing into a conftown slot and taking the lead on lynching scum then ask me to replace and I will. But not lynching Pie is not an option.

[RadiantCowbells]

Also, I'm sure there's some way to check if Katsuki is wet, which would be very pertinent information.

[kraska77]

If whoever checks dry/wet paint targets a person on the same night scum color them, what kind of result do they get? Wet? Or do they get results based on what their paint was like during the day?

[Something_Smart]

VOTE: pie
RC if you could answer this it would make me feel better though.

@RC: I want to agree with you but can you come up with a reason why pie would choose this game to bus?

[RadiantCowbells]

The way Ari has been playing as scum recently, I would bus him if I got him too.

[pieguyn]

I'm trying to figure out why my baseline for reads is so opposite basically the entire game.

RC is conftown, and I'm not worried about dwlee or bella in the slightest.

Katsuki's earlier posts directed to me (from 1137) are a huge towntell, because in addition to it perfectly explaining his behavior over the course of the game, I do not know him to be anywhere near the type of player who would feign that much disengagement from the game as scum. I've seen him lurk as scum but it's always strategic, it's never like _that_. the general tone of his posts today (I've never seen him be this openly dissatisfied with a game) and the fact he's decided he'd just sheep me/Nahdia at this point (which is something I believe he does at least semi-regularly) are both consistent with this, too.

Zulfy still looks town, and I'd be more interested in why people think he's scum since I don't remember finding any of the reason I've heard compelling and outside of that I have no understanding of why people think he's scum.

kraska's slot was where I originally wanted to lynch until her entrance. itle was posting stuff, but none of it came off as particularly compelling, and there were a few off notes that I don't like; the strongest point is that during the entire deadline scramble D1 between Aris/Katsuki he just kinda sat there and poked at dwlee without addressing Aris or Katsuki at all.

leaving {Nahdia, TBG, S_S}:

the only point for Nahdia being town is that she flipped blue. aside from that, I've seen no reason for town reading her besides "tone", which is a really awful reason for town reading someone, especially her;

I've mostly explained where I'm at with TBG already: I take issue with his recent posts, but aside from that I only have minor issues with him and the miller claim is slight evidence for him being town;

neither S_S or Spiffeh have done anything town, and I take issue with S_S's read progression on me. he started off thinking I was scum, and then I explained to him why D1 makes no sense with me as scum. he conceded I was correct about this, but apparently still thinks I'm scum for ... ???. you don't agree that the way someone led a scum lynch D1 makes them town, and that there is no reason that they would have done it as scum, and then continue saying they're scum anyway; that's not how reads work. he alluded to having other reason for scum reading me, but rather than falling back on it and trying to expand on and push me over that instead after the angle about bussing fell flat, he's spent all of his time focusing on coming up with some reason it somehow makes sense for me to bus there. it isn't a natural progression, it reads more like he decided he wanted to push me and isn't sure how he can go about it besides the bussing angle.

@dwlee/bella:

I'd like to hear where you two in particular think I'm going wrong on this list, since I feel relatively sure on both of you being town. actually now that I've wrote all of this out I could maybe see a {S_S, kraska} team making sense.

[Katsuki]

Oh hey I flipped red! XD

If this flips scum, if it will, Katsuki may or may not be scum and I wouldn't interpret that redflip as confscum.

If it's (pieguyn) town we're autolynching Katsuki.

Because it's more important to get the blue paint onto the person most likely to endgame. That would not be Katsuki.

Absolutely gross posting. Not only is he trying to chain Pie mislynch into Kats mislynch, his basis for me being scum is that I wouldn't color myself blue as scum? His logic is that apparently that as scum I wouldn't think I'm likely to make it to endgame, despite the fact that I've made it to end-game in EVERY SINGLE GAME IVE EVER PLAYED WITH RC

COMPLETE FUCKING LOLS
WE'RE LYNCHING THIS WITH FIRE

VOTE: RC

[Katsuki]

IM NOT MOVING MY VOTE FOR THE REST OF THE GAME AND WE'RE NOT LYNCHING PIEGUYN

[Katsuki]

THANKS FOR GIVING ME A REASON TO CARE RC BECAUSE I AM LYNCHING YOUR SCUMFUCK ASS INTO OBLIVION

[pieguyn]

it is horrible, but he's confirmed town by virtue of being flipped blue D1 before scum would have had any chance to alter the flips. or do you think Cheetory would put the equivalent of a godfather in this game?

I don't know if I'd consider that unless it reaches LYLO.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Katsuki

OK we can lynch this instead.

[kraska77]

VOTE: everyone for ignoring my post

If whoever checks dry/wet paint targets a person on the same night scum color them, what kind of result do they get? Wet? Or do they get results based on what their paint was like during the day?

can we trust wet/dry results or is this another thing that can be manipulated by scum? let's say katsuki is scum and the flip today wasnt a sham...if scum paint him whatever color tonight and the person who checks wet/dry paint also goes for katsuki then what would the results show? assuming result just says whether paint is dry or wet and nothing about the color, if the night action order is: people get colored before theyre checked then the results are not reliable right?
tl;dr what's the order for night actions? wet/dry check first then mafia coloring town/themselves? or the other way round?

[RadiantCowbells]

I ignored it because bigger fish but I really didn't like Katsuki's play around being flipped, his current move feels super postured, and frankly no scum team would waste a red coat on him.

[pieguyn]

tl;dr what's the order for night actions? wet/dry check first then mafia coloring town/themselves? or the other way round?

I don't have the slightest idea, unfortunately. someone who was in the last game should probably answer this.

in other news, dwlee, are you fucking _sure_ kraska would fake this?

[kraska77]

this is the first game i play with dwlee lmao
why is his opinion on me supposed to hold any weight