In post 1297, kraska77 wrote:Till ninas color flip so yes I saw a little of katsuki's posting
I'd highly recommend reading his posts from this game day/near the end of D2, and my assessment of it in 1240. that's a lot of where my town read on him comes from.
In post 1269, pieguyn wrote:just so we're clear... your theory is that me/Katsuki painted myself blue, left him as red, and then... did nothing this game day to push the flip wagon on me through?
I'd have been more than capable of doing a hell of a lot more than I did here if I was invested in flipping myself. my position towards flipping myself today was "I don't really care, but other people seem to want it and Katsuki is town".
Did you forget that you were trying to sell a lynch on my slot before I replaced in?
I don't understand what point you're attempting to make here. rephrase?
In post 1286, Something_Smart wrote:not enough to justify a strong townread, especially given that immediately afterward she used the towncred she got from the first lynch to push through another lynch onto town.
I find this fucking hilarious. your argument here basically amounts to "it's scummy that she lynched a town player", which... what?, and you're making this argument directly after conceding earlier that in no way would I have needed to bus in order to navigate this game as scum.
you're not genuinely attempting to read or sort me. you've decided that "she bussed Aris D1" would be a good somewhat-believable angle for feigning a read on me and are bending over backwards inventing reasons to justify it, rather than attempting to read my play.
I haven't fully explained the reasons I'm scumreading you. The fact that you pushed Ari is the only thing that makes me think you might be town.
In post 1288, TehBrawlGuy wrote:Being the driving force keeping this game from stagnation is absolutely alignment indicative - scum!pie could take a backseat and watch town flounder. It's an age-old strategy that would work very well here if Pie was Scum.
Taking the one mislynch that heavily against Pie is a massive jump in logic to me. It's would be extremely unlikely for
any
Town leader to hit Scum 100% of the time. Pie being town and getting one right and one wrong is by far the most likely scenario - especially given that lala gave us very little to work with.
Katsuki: I got gut pings from TSQ. Katsuki's reads are pretty weird and they're not doing much... this read could easily change, it's half a real read and half a placeholder.
pieguyn: Yeah ok so bussing Ari would have been a stupid move. I still have my eye on you, though this could just be one of my terrible reads... I just feel like she's saying a lot but none of it is really that profound, and I don't like the way she pushed Nina/TSQ as TvT. I also didn't like the way she suggested Ranger could be a TPR, it sounded a little like fishing.
indicating that you had pie and kat both in your top 3 scumreads. You then joined in the effort to colorflip Kat.
After this, Kat flipped red, and you:
Proceeded to vote pie with no reasoning
Completely dismissed your
red-flipped scumread
with "scum doesn't call conftown scum", when clearly the only reason ANYONE would call RC scum is that they forgot she was conftown, which is entirely NAI.
Spend your effort on questioning
[person who's voting you]
on why he thinks
[person who's spearheading your wagon]
is town
There's just no town motivation behind this. Town!S_S doesn't colorflip Katsuki, his scumread, have them flip red, and then randomly drop them completely. Scum!S_S does, because he needs to get behind RC's loud voice to get the heat off of himself. I think your weak play of calling Kat's slip on RC townie proves this. It's not a genuine opinion, it's one fabricated to give you a reason to pivot onto Pie.
We've agreed that red-flipped doesn't mean anything. However, pie very strongly seemed like she knew Katsuki would flip red.
I didn't dismiss my scumread on Katsuki, and I never called Katsuki town. I wanted an answer to 1255, and I got it.
There was no heat on me until after I did the things you described. Sorry, your narrative doesn't live up to reality.
And why would I need another excuse to pivot onto pie? I already had the huge bussing argument, I could have just said "yeah you were bussing regardless of how stupid you say it would be, it's all WIFOM anyway" and voted her there.
In post 1295, TehBrawlGuy wrote:In what universe is flopping on your scumread...
after he flips red...
with extremely flimsy reasoning...
to back a more probable lynch...
on the player who's pushing your wagon...
NAI?
It's like S_S fucking ordered the Jumbo Combo at McScumtells.
Okay, then. Tell me what my read is on Katsuki, since you clearly know so much about it.
You know what? I almost think TBG is less likely to be scum because of the sheer amount of crap he and pie will get if this lynch actually goes through.
this is in response to pie mainly
first of all pie, i read the stuff you wrote on katsuki in that breakdown post, and i clicked on the linked post and funnily enough two posts below katsuki's, you refutd your own townread on him by saying he played an active part in lala's lynch...so...him asking "why the turnound" is as good a reason as any to townread him or anyone else. like you said, disengagement can be easily faked. and i dont buy your defense of his rc vote...because that was clearly a vanity vote, nothing more nothing less. i knew rc's slot was confirmed town for some reason even before i reached the part where nina flipped blue, because over the last few pages alone, there are tons of references to that(how many times did people say rc doesnt get a pass to get lynches through just because he's conftown over the last few pages alone?). i dont give a crap about katsuki's rc vote and if it's supposed to make me reconsider a lynch on him, it's not working. i can recognize when people are being too ridiculous to be scum, but this is different bc that was a vanity vote. also why are you pulling a curtain over his predecessor's posts? tsq's posts were mostly nothing more than overblown reactions(similar to katsuki's) and misrepresentation(when he accused nina of rolefishing out of nowhere that was a red flag to me)
anyway im beginning to feel like the associative ive formed between you and katsuki is too linear/obvious to be true
but katsuki should be today's lynch regardless and here's why:
1) if katsuki flips scum, like i think he will, then we have effectively rendered mafia's red paint strokes moot. a katsuki scum flip means night one his buddy colored themselves blue and night two a townie got red brushed. so in effect, if katsuki flips scum, who ever flips red from now on is confirmed town...wait...unless blue scum buddy paints themselves red again o.0 can paint be used on the same person twice? hmm nevermind but point is, if katsuki flips scum, color manipulation no longer means anything.
2) if katsuki flips town, then he got red brushed and today's lynch was calculated/expected, this seems unlikely though because your wagon and his were tied until i replaced in, plus the people pushing for a katsuki lynch are people im reading town. but anyway, let's consider this alternative. katsuki's iso is vacuous mostly, his lurking makes him difficult to read and he's not doing anything useful to town. im pretty sure i will keep second guessing myself the entire game if he stays alive, and that i will be unable to move forward with my reads until i see his slot's flip. it's a good lynch regardless
@pie ignore post 1296 bc that was a loaded question. im going through ari's iso now. if anything, itle and ari interactions should be enough indicator that itle is town, that was too late in day 1 to be distancing. do you really think ari would put another one of his buddies in hot water when his lynch looks like it will happen? can you walk me through your poe and how you reached the conclusion that itle is scum?
after seeing 1302, I'm lynching S_S today, full stop.
I think I'm just going to wait for bella and Katsuki to arrive. I really hope I don't have to actually break that down and explain why a lot of what he wrote there is disingenuous.
@kraska, I'll respond to your post in full later (at work rn) but a quick point, Aris was pretty much completely fucked by the time he caught up at the very end of D1, so it absolutely would make sense for him to put a partner down as scum with the intent of distancing. it didn't actually do anything to put itle in danger, it was just words at that point.
@smart, can you explain 'You know what? I almost think TBG is less likely to be scum because of the sheer amount of crap he and pie will get if this lynch actually goes through.' for me? I'm dumb tonight.
If I get lynched, pie and TBG will both catch a huge amount of flak for how hard they pushed me. Therefore I'm not sure if they'd let that happen if they were partners.
I haven't fully explained the reasons I'm scumreading you.
The fact that you pushed Ari is the only thing that makes me think you might be town.
Gosh, it's almost like you're not genuinely interested in scumhunting!
In post 1302, Something_Smart wrote:
I didn't dismiss my scumread on Katsuki, and I never called Katsuki town. I wanted an answer to 1255, and I got it.
Ah, right, completely not mentioning a player and pushing an entirely different wagon isn't dismissing anything.
Also, saying "why would XXX do this as Scum?" absolutely implies that the player is Town. It's a loaded question.
In post 1302, Something_Smart wrote:
Okay, then. Tell me what my read is on Katsuki, since you clearly know so much about it.
Given that you yourself said he was null/scum and he hasn't done anything of note between them and now, I don't need to be psychic to say probably scum or null/scum.
I don't have anything to put here because my normal signature is images. Weeeeee.
I haven't fully explained the reasons I'm scumreading you.
The fact that you pushed Ari is the only thing that makes me think you might be town.
Gosh, it's almost like you're not genuinely interested in scumhunting!
I'm scumhunting, all right. I'll admit I haven't been interested in explaining my reasons thus far. (Just because I haven't explained them doesn't mean they don't exist.) But then again, nobody's asked me to.
In post 1302, Something_Smart wrote:
I didn't dismiss my scumread on Katsuki, and I never called Katsuki town. I wanted an answer to 1255, and I got it.
Ah, right, completely not mentioning a player and pushing an entirely different wagon isn't dismissing anything.
Also, saying "why would XXX do this as Scum?" absolutely implies that the player is Town. It's a loaded question.
I mean, it was a counter question to Nahdia's question implying that Katsuki's action was illogical for town, showing that it was just downright illogical.
And, news flash, there's multiple scum. Just because I'm pushing one person does not mean that I can't scumread another.
In post 1302, Something_Smart wrote:
Okay, then. Tell me what my read is on Katsuki, since you clearly know so much about it.
Given that you yourself said he was null/scum and he hasn't done anything of note between them and now, I don't need to be psychic to say probably scum or null/scum.
No, you don't need to be psychic to say that. I'm not sure what you'd need to be to say that I think Katsuki is town.
I've been thinking about this for a while and I'm near positive that Katsuki is scum at this point, far more certain than my Pieguyn read. More on this later.
2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.
"1) Assuming paint is in the game and functions like it did in last game, a role that can paint could target the same player twice.
2) Can't confirm how these kinds of actions would resolve in this game." #2 was in response to my night action order question
In post 1321, RadiantCowbells wrote:Pie is a very strong pick for it actually, given that she's trying to make this a pissing contest that I think she knows that she doesn't win.
But this is so weird
Can it really be that easy?
Something is off, this setup seems really disadvantageous for scum
I'm pretty sure there's some new twist to color manipulation going on in this game that we haven't figured out yet
The color flip phase makes the first two days equivalent to four days...that's way too much information in a short period of time and makes surviving difficult for scum
