In post 1433, TellTaleHeart wrote:Pie, I think TBG is a great place for us to meet in the middle. It sounds like you're picking up on the same things I am and you haven't given any reason to think he's town.
I have my doubts about Katsuki so I'll hold off lynching there (but if TBG really is scum I expect Kat to go tomorrow).
was thinking the same.
vote: TBG
about Katsuki, these are the scum games of his I was either in or followed to some extent:
Touhou UPick 3 this was my direct experience with Katsuki as scum. it had a lot of trolling, etc., but he clearly was taking the game seriously, attempting to make town-sounding points and look town, was significantly more active than he is here, and so forth.
Anything UPick this is actually where I started seriously thinking about Katsuki and whether it made sense for him to be scum here, since I wasn't in this, but I came across it looking for Katsuki scum games a while back. here he lurked a lot, but he makes it obvious it was strategic both in postgame and due to his demeanor in general - he wasn't posting but when he did post it was very focused and goal-driven.
there are also games like Through the Looking Glass, which while that happened all the way back in 2014 it at least makes it completely obvious that Katsuki enjoys playing scum and knows what to do as scum.
then these are the most recent games when I've seen him as town, FG's game excluded:
Pick your Power 6 was disconnected the majority of the game, didn't do anything, didn't push any reads.
Touhou UPick 4 basically just trolled all game, didn't push any reads.
Mod error he got wagoned D1 and spent most of the game lashing out at people voting him for stupid reasons. he was really loud about his reads, but he did this because he actually had reads he felt strongly about, and most of them were correct.
from my experience with him, which I think these games highlight, he's a player who as town doesn't feel any need to play the game seriously until and unless he has something he actually wants to accomplish.
what he's doing here? he's disconnected, not enjoying the game, and most of his major pushes came as a result of what he thought were people pushing him in disingenuous ways (lala D2 and RC/Nahdia this game day). outside of that, he's not pushing any reads and has mostly just latched onto me in terms of the direction he wants to take the game. it doesn't seem goal-driven at all, and his disengagement doesn't seem feigned. in particular I empathize with how he felt about lala, since my impression of lala's play was "it's really wrong and I don't have the slightest clue why she would be playing like this if she was town". with this in mind, his D3 opening read to me (both tonally and in terms of content) like he was just lost and had no idea what to even do with the game anymore.
I thought the way he blew up at me after I pushed him also looked town since I really didn't see an ulterior motive behind it; if you try to follow his mindset, though, then it makes sense. here he was not knowing what he should do and the person he's mostly just following is pushing him. I first thought it lacked all the fire I usually see from him when he's town, but after reading into his posts more I think it makes more sense that way just due to how apathetic he's been.
I am going to feel really fucking embarrassed if I posted this and he winds up being scum, especially since he has a play style that in theory would allow him to decide one game to go "hehueuhe I'll just be completely useless all game and people will read me as town for it!!11", but I don't *really* think that's what's going on here (his reads seem fairly reasonable to me) and I don't know why he would pick this game where I'm likely the only one who's had enough games with him to be able to see something like that, if he even would have expected it from me.
so all things considered, I think it's pretty likely Katsuki is town here.
