Mini 1802: Paint Mafia Sequel - Game Over!

[Dwlee99]

i don't have tbg in my scum pool

youre not doing jack shit this game so you dont count lol

okay fine

[kraska77]

@tth youre still not seeing my point

my premise: katsuki is scum
therefore it follows that tgb is not scum bc katsuki flipped red and not blue
i already explained this and said this is preflip conclusion and that i will reconsider a townread on tgb if katsuki flips town
but those are my reads and you dont have to agree with them

but for you:
both tgb and katsuki are in your bottom tier

and a katsuki lynch will obviously generate more information because tgb is a secondary consensus scumread and his flip wont tell us much...is what im saying
where is the problem here?

[kraska77]

katsuki more informative because of the color flip***

[Nahdia]

i'd be ok with a TGB lynch but i'd prefer Katsuki.

[Nahdia]

TBG*

[kraska77]

oh yeah ive been calling him tgb for a while now o.0

[TellTaleHeart]

so all things considered, I think it's pretty likely Katsuki is town here.

I'm not looking to fight you on this and I appreciate that you put the effort into making that post.

That said, I'm not sold. How much effort someone puts into a game or how much someone enjoys a game depends a lot more on just alignment they drew. It's possible that he had a lot more synergy with his scumteams in the games you linked or he simply meshed with the player lists more.

[TellTaleHeart]

my premise: katsuki is scum
therefore it follows that tgb is not scum bc katsuki flipped red and not blue

My rebuttal: No.

[kraska77]

*internal screams*
but i actually dont care
if you wanna lynch tgb go ahead but im staying on katsuki

[kraska77]

i did say that part of the post concerns my reads and you dont even have to agree with them(i only wrote that bc you asked why i think he's town) SIGH and you ignored the part directed at you

[TellTaleHeart]

I don't know what you're screaming about.

I'm being as transparent in my argument as you are.

[TellTaleHeart]

where is the problem here?

The problem is that you're

insisting

Kat and TBG

absolutely can't

be scum together for some ~phantasmagorical~ reason.

[pieguyn]

That said, I'm not sold. How much effort someone puts into a game or how much someone enjoys a game depends a lot more on just alignment they drew. It's possible that he had a lot more synergy with his scumteams in the games you linked or he simply meshed with the player lists more.

that strikes me as *really* unlikely, just given what I've seen of Katsuki and how much he prides himself on his scum game. going off memory I'm pretty sure I have never seen this happen to Katsuki as scum, at all, even outside of the games I linked.

but, w/e, I'm obviously not getting anywhere. I'm stepping away now.

[TellTaleHeart]

Agreed. I hope you reconsider if TBG flips scum.

[pieguyn]

this is so stupid, because I feel really really sure on this, but I have no idea how I can explain it in a way that people will understand and agree with. then, at the same time I've had reads like the IAI read from the last game where I'm just completely fucking wrong and insane and just shouldn't be playing the game.

this game makes me want to cry sometimes.

[pieguyn]

can you explain why you town read Nahdia?

if I'm right about Katsuki and he flips town and I'm dead and a blue scum hasn't flipped, then I can say with confidence I don't want her anywhere near LYLO.

[Nahdia]

I'm about to go to bed so here's my tiered reads list.

{pieguyn, Dwlee99, Nahdia, kraska77}
{Something_Smart, Zulfy}
{Bellaphant}
{Katsuki}
{TehBrawlGuy}

fantastic reads except for the Zulfy read.

[Zulfy]

Not now babe

[Nahdia]

i will defeat you, evil man.

[Something_Smart]

@Mod: I'll be V/LA from Friday to Tuesday.

I'll still have mobile access though, so no worries.

[kraska77]

@zulfy who will u vote for -__-

[TellTaleHeart]

can you explain why you town read Nahdia?

if I'm right about Katsuki and he flips town and I'm dead and a blue scum hasn't flipped, then I can say with confidence I don't want her anywhere near LYLO.

She has interactions with Aristophanes, specifically too many of them, that make me think they're not scumbuddies.

The blue flip doesn't hurt.

[pieguyn]

She has interactions with Aristophanes, specifically too many of them, that make me think they're not scumbuddies.

The blue flip doesn't hurt.

her interactions with Aris are actually something that I keep coming back to and questioning. on her side, I didn't see anything of note up until 575, which was the only time she actually talked about or implied any kind of read on Aris and then she never followed through on it. on Aris' side, there's 342, which I don't know if he would do this or not but that's actually exactly the kind of thing I like to do to my scum partners since the vast majority of people auto-assume scum won't hard town read each other.

can you point me to what I'm missing here?

[TehBrawlGuy]

He is openly sheeping pie and joins her whenever she's grilling someone, yes...but he's being just as vocal about all of this as she is. and the way he was constantly discrediting rc is idiotic play if he's scum

Not really. By himself, he wouldn't be able to carry this game and I think he's well aware of that.

I could if I felt like it - I've done it in enough games. Obviously I don't feel like it, though. I agree with Pie's content and don't really want to put in much more effort beyond quick looks at ISOs to verify that.

Regarding everything else, you (and pie both) have given me little to respond to. Either push me so we can actually do something with this wagon or don't and go push elsewhere. I'd give you a ton of shit for the lazy push if you two weren't conftown and my biggest town read.

[TellTaleHeart]

She has interactions with Aristophanes, specifically too many of them, that make me think they're not scumbuddies.

The blue flip doesn't hurt.

her interactions with Aris are actually something that I keep coming back to and questioning. on her side, I didn't see anything of note up until 575, which was the only time she actually talked about or implied any kind of read on Aris and then she never followed through on it. on Aris' side, there's 342, which I don't know if he would do this or not but that's actually exactly the kind of thing I like to do to my scum partners since the vast majority of people auto-assume scum won't hard town read each other.

can you point me to what I'm missing here?

My assessment is colored by what just happened in Queen Mafia when I was scum with Ari. If you have extra time, go count the number of meaningful interactions he has with me over the course of the game. If you don't have extra time, I'll go ahead and tell you it's zero.