New York 196: My Game, My Flavor Mafia (Mafia Win)

[shannon]

Alright so I've been jailed with a kill through and motion detected with a kill through, so I"m not solo scum, even as strongman.

Kraska could be solo scum strongman, she's only been jailed with a kill through.

A50 could be scum faking the JK results, but others seem to think not.

[Zachstralkita]

What stops you from being a strongman?

I'm town. Theory is destroyed.

[shannon]

Seriously though, what nights were you JKed or MDed and what else happened those nights?

[shannon]

Implosion has claimed doc, is it possible that he has been faking protection on people and killing elsewhere?

[shannon]

No, just read over his ISO, it seems totally towny.

[shannon]

For me it's either A50 (general liar) or Zach and/or Kraska (strongman among them, though not needed if they're a team)

[Zachstralkita]

Varsoon's role confirms implosion

[shannon]

Yeah. OK, so back to you - which nights were you protected/monitored, and who died those nights?

[shannon]

Wish this game had links to each day start on teh first page

[Zachstralkita]

Yeah. OK, so back to you - which nights were you protected/monitored, and who died those nights?

I need A50 to confirm he went on me N4 and N5 or tell me I'm fucking crazy.

[shannon]

beeboy

,

Town Odd-Night Cop

, was killed Night 4.[/area

(edited out irrelevant stuff)

So, anyway .. Zack was my N4 target, and before people start confusing themselves and asking again:

Dunn on N1
kraska on N2
Airick on N3
Zach on N4

Zach N5
kraska N6
Shannon N7


Let's see how A50's theory stacks up now -

Wait, can you explain that theory in more detail?

I already did, but I need both Dunn and Varsoon to confirm or refute my theory.

PV did not protect anyone on N1. We only had one kill.

I'm adding my own notes in bold here

I blocked the Vig shot on Lapsa, but he still died.

Does this imply the existence of a scum strongman?

A third killing role (2nd scum kill) failed at someone. That was either Zach (claimed BP) or Varsoon (maybe BP but didn't claim it?). The reason i think it might be Varsoon is Transcend saying Varsoon got visited on N1, and nobody claimed that visit as of yet.

Varsoon is now confirmed back up nurse. So who visited him N1? Or is Transcend lying? Or was there no third scum kill?

On N2 we also had only 1 kill. The Vig shot went astray due to Mirhawk commuting. Chances are extremely small someone shot Varsoon on N1 and then shot Zach on N2 (or vice versa) thus the one I jailed was either the target or the shooter.

This points to Zach being the target or shooter, since we know now that Varsoon can't shoot and was town - but A50 said he jailed Dunn and Kraska respectively so this makes no sense. What have I misunderstood here?

On n3 we have 2 kills. Dunn claimed 2-shot, so unless he was bluffing twice that second kill wasn't from him. One of the deaths occurred on a (false) claimed Bomb/PGO (who would be so bald as to target a claimed bomb?? I fail to understand that one).

Dunn was bluffing, so the second kill was his

Well, yeah.. I'm confused and the chances of kraska flipping scum are much lower than 80% it looks. She could've been the target of the shot for all I know. I take back the "positive" case and would relegate it to a mere possibility.

Now Varsoon comes and says his not a BP and it might be that the N1 shot was on Zach still. However, Dunn saying he had a 2rd shot shoots down my theory bc evidently there would be no 3rd killing role to begin with.

[Almost50]

if kraska is trusting A50, I should be clear according to A50's claim so by extension I should be town in her eyes.

No if i trust a50 and shannon is cleared then ure the only possible scum obviously because the day u got jailed was the only day there was no NK

Why have you not selfvoted?

A50 jailed me two days in a row.

Dunn on N1, kraska on N2, Airick on N3, Zach on N4, Zach on N5, kraska on N6, shannon on N7

[Almost50]

Well meh. So then a50 can have stopped the vig kill and also killed dunn in theory.

Ugh.

That's true, except we already had a flipped Mafia JK, so I could not be Mafia AND a JK, thus I could not have stopped the Vig shot if I'm Mafia!!

[shannon]

So Zach is a live option as a potential strongman, as is Kraska? That explains the MD death, they'd have to know that a MD could clear them (or catch them) but a JK couldn't.

[shannon]

Is there a rule that prevents 2 mafia JKs from existing?

[Almost50]

@Shannon:

The N1 action on Varsoon most likely came from beeboy.

@Everyone:

With Transcend ending up dead it's unlikely we have a Ninja, bc why would a Ninja take out the motion detector?
However, it also points to the scum likely being one of the VT claims, bc both PRs already had a legit reason to have motion detected from them.

On the other hand, I have jailed all 3 of them and a NK still occured. If we assume a strongman then shannon should be clear (by virtue of Transcend result on her) and it's between Zach and kraska.

If there's no strongman involved then it's between me and implosion. Either way shannon is NOT the right lynch.

[Almost50]

Is there a rule that prevents 2 mafia JKs from existing?

I wouldn't call it a "rule" per se, but it's something that's never been used before at the very least.

[shannon]

Five alive, lynch plus NK means we're in LYLO tomorrow. Please scum don't NK me I have never made it to 3P LYLO before! <3

[Almost50]

Wait! If there IS a strongman, how come we had 2 deaths only on N3??

Let me go check:

N1: Dunn was jailed, so Lapsa was the Mafia kill.
N2: Dunn didn't shoot (confirmation?) and Titus was the Mafia kill.
N3: Dunn shot Wake, Mafia shot podoboq
N4: Dunn shot beeboy. Did Mafia also shoot beeboy?
N5: Mafia shot Dunn, but Dunn shot nobody?
N6, N7: Dunn is no more, so Varsoon & Transcend are Mafia kills.

The thing is did Mafia & Dunn target the same person TWICE? (I'm assuming Dunn didn't shoot on N3, else it would be THRICE!).

We first need to decide on whether there IS a strongman here or not. We need to narrow it down to 2 lynch candidates bc that's all we have left: 2 lynches. Unless it's a scum duo and we ARE in LyLo already.

Well, my train of thought stops here. I'll wait for someone else to pick up from me.

[Zachstralkita]

It's most likely kraska.

[shannon]

@Shannon:

The N1 action on Varsoon most likely came from beeboy.

@Everyone:

With Transcend ending up dead it's unlikely we have a Ninja, bc why would a Ninja take out the motion detector?
However, it also points to the scum likely being one of the VT claims, bc both PRs already had a legit reason to have motion detected from them.

On the other hand, I have jailed all 3 of them and a NK still occured. If we assume a strongman then shannon should be clear (by virtue of Transcend result on her) and it's between Zach and kraska.

If there's no strongman involved then it's between me and implosion. Either way shannon is NOT the right lynch.

Both PRs have a legit reason to have motion detected, but in a WIFOMY sense that's what they'd want us to think, so I'm not prepared to rule out anyone except Implosion yet.

Thinking aloud, and can someone please reality test this:

Lynch either Kraska or Zach = 2 claimed PRs, a claimed VT, and me a confirmed townie.

JK protects doc protects me.

Overnight targets possible - JK, or VT. (or no nk)

D9 groups possible -

JK, doc, me, VT (if no nk - no lynch again, same chain of protection, rinse repeat until a NK or a give up)
Doc, me, one unconfimred townie (JK was NKed - it's the VT)
JK, me, VT (if JK didn't protect the doc from NK, it's gotta be the JK)

[shannon]

Wait! If there IS a strongman, how come we had 2 deaths only on N3??

Let me go check:

N1: Dunn was jailed, so Lapsa was the Mafia kill.
N2: Dunn didn't shoot (confirmation?) and Titus was the Mafia kill.
N3: Dunn shot Wake, Mafia shot podoboq
N4: Dunn shot beeboy. Did Mafia also shoot beeboy?
N5: Mafia shot Dunn, but Dunn shot nobody?
N6, N7: Dunn is no more, so Varsoon & Transcend are Mafia kills.

The thing is did Mafia & Dunn target the same person TWICE? (I'm assuming Dunn didn't shoot on N3, else it would be THRICE!).

We first need to decide on whether there IS a strongman here or not. We need to narrow it down to 2 lynch candidates bc that's all we have left: 2 lynches. Unless it's a scum duo and we ARE in LyLo already.

Well, my train of thought stops here. I'll wait for someone else to pick up from me.

I thought that mafia could, as a faction, only kill once per night, and the person(s) not doing the kill would be able to use their role powers elsewhere? So it'd make sense to have the strongman doing the kills, and the others jailkeeping or commuting or whatever?

[shannon]

So reasons for not having more than one kill include: Dunn didn't do anything, Dunn was JKed, the target was JKed, the target commuted, the target was doctored.

[Zachstralkita]

just uh vote kraska

[Almost50]

OK.

VOTE: kraska

And if the game doesn't end we follow shannon's plan, I guess. *Crossing Fingers*