Newbie 1725 Scum PT

[Harkonnen97]

If you don't want to take a risk - let's block MissTerry. But I really really really think that she will protect me tonight. Or at least, she won't protect Creature. There are 5 candidates for a Cop - Serra, Creature, Shadow, Loop and Penguin. By killing one and RBing another one, we have a 40% chance of neutralizing the Cop for now. I am really afraid that the Cop will most likely be checking you tonight.

/cancel Thor blocks PenguinPower

Do what you think is best

[Harkonnen97]

Also, I kinda wanna leave MissTerry alive because Loop will be tunneling her I think. We just need to find the Cop and we can keep RBing Terry, and I think in the end noone will believe her claim and she will end up mislynched.

[Harkonnen97]

We can use your roleblock to either give ourselves 20% chance of stoppping the Cop for a night, or to stop MissTerry from protecting Creature. I think that stopping the Cop is more likely than MissTerry protecting Creature, but I won't insist. You are more experienced so I will trust your judgement.

[Harkonnen97]

(just in case you agree with my plan - it doesn't have to be Penguin. I'm actually leaning more on Loop being a more likely candidate for a Cop after some rereading. He was really pissed when he was put at L-1, and he repeatedly demanded that he doesn't get lynched without anyone stating intent to hammer. Looks to me like a PR who is afraid of a lolhammer. So my suggestion would be to kill Creature and roleblock Loop. I'm leaving you to decide)

[innocentvillager]

T-10 hours!

Currently I have:

Thor665 roleblocks MissTerry
Harkonnen97 kills Creature

[Thor665]

I'm pretty sure Loop is trying a really bad gambit to try to fool scum into thinking he'd tunnel Miss Terry tomorrow so they don't kill her.
If I'm wrong, great - but I would assuredly not expect that to go through as reality unless Loop is really terrible.

How about;

Rolblock: Loop
Kill: Creature (Hark)

As the gameplan?

The other random thought is to kill MissTerry, and then demand Loop explain who the alternate breadcrumb is and try to push him as awkward scum.
Not really enamored of that plan though.

[Harkonnen97]

Hmmm. I don't know, you could be right Anyway, leaving a claimed PR (who happens to really be PR) alive from the scum PoV is really weird. I think that we can definitely cause alot of chaos by leaving MT alive. I am sure that Serra and possibly Shadow will say something like "If MT claimed VT she would have definitely gotten lynched, she claimed Doc just to save her hide!!!" etc. Even if Loop doesn't tunnel her, I am sure that someone else will. Besides I think that she is good to keep around because she is inexperienced and I think I could manipulate her alot, since she has me as a top town read. And also she doesn't scumread you.

Harkonnen97 kills Creature
Thor665 roleblocks Loopdan

(just in case it's not counted because of the typo)

[Thor665]

I endorse that plot as stands.

On the town side, they really need a concise day tomorrow - as such, I plan to not be particularly helpful with that, and will post plenty
Though I am actually still going to be on semi V/LA for another two weeks, this Snapchat series is going to be a doozy on my schedule, but I may/should be able to manage almost every day.

[Harkonnen97]

I will be v/la for a week too. I kind of feel bad about that - it's such a perfect excuse to not contribute. Victory would have been sweeter without that outside accidental help, but oh well x)

[Thor665]

I actually don't really consider v/la to help scum - it hurts town, but that's about it.
Eh, I dunno, I'm an outlier there, people are always claiming not being around makes it easier to be scum - I never figured out why, but enough buy into it that it has to have some element of truth that I'm overlooking I suppose.

[Harkonnen97]

I'm really happy with the roleblock on Loop btw.

If he tunnels Terry - good for us
If he backs out, explaining that it was a gambit like you say - eh, doesn't hurt us
If he backs out without explaining why - amazing for us, because I'd bet that he would be a Cop who would get the "No Result" notification, which would confirm for him that we are playing on the setup Row B, and would confirm that there is a Doctor in the game, so he would start suddenly defending MT.

[Harkonnen97]

Hmm, I dunno. Being inactive and laying low on purpose definitely doesn't help scum, because you are removing yourself from the danger of accidently slipping, and you will get scumread for it. But if you are v/la you can't be scumread for lurking. I think it gives scum a tiny advantage, since they have excuse to stay silent and observe, and see how the day will start, and how to adjust their reads and play.

[innocentvillager]

Sun's up scumfucks

[innocentvillager]

Go kill some more lawyers!

[Thor665]

My schedule is still ludicrous.

With you wanting to so aggressvely bus me, I advocate killing MT today - we kind of need to do that in case I get lynched, because if I get lynched you need to kill Loop afterwards, because no one is going to think my play has been a bus of a buddy on him

So...

Kill: MT (Thor)

Doesn't really matter who we roleblock. So, won't bother.

We're looking pretty good - I don't think anyone will ever consider you my partner if I'm lynched, and vice versa.
So we either win tomorrow with a town lynch, or win the next day by getting someone other than the one who is alive lynched.

If I'm lynched, kill Loop - serious now

[Harkonnen97]

I agree with that plan

[Harkonnen97]

Thor I dont want to bus you. Im just trying to distance us. I hammered Peng yesterday because I felt like you would get lynched if I let him spill the beans about the similarity in your playstyle in Newbie 1724

Tommorow I will bus you though

Also, what do you think about roleblocking MT and killing Loop? It might throw some more suspicioun on her - a claimed PR who survives for two nights and all

[Harkonnen97]

MT and Loop are dying no matter what. Question is: in which order?

MT is more inexperienced than Loop. I think that she might make the mistake of voting for Shadow, and then we could quickhammer. Loop wouldn't do that. So Im a bigger fan of killing MT tommorow. What do you think?

[Thor665]

A Loop kill would be interesting, it would weaken the vote bloc against me, and give me the interesting argument of being set up. Both Loop and MT are pretty off in their reads, insomuch as though they both think I might be scum, they also have some silly bad ideas for who my theory partner is - I could see getting either of them to vote wrong tomorrow or the next day pretty easily. Might also be really funny to leave MT alive after all the grief Penguin got for suspecting her...

Yeah, I could go with;

Kill: Loop (Hark)
Roleblock: MissTerry (Thor)

It would be an unexpected and funny kill.

[Thor665]

Thor I dont want to bus you. Im just trying to distance us. I hammered Peng yesterday because I felt like you would get lynched if I let him spill the beans about the similarity in your playstyle in Newbie 1724

There's actually a fine distinction between bussing and distancing - at the end of the day distancing is good, and bussing is (to my mind) noot a good play at all.
Thus far you're walking the distancing line pretty well, but have on two occasions actually made me a lynch wagon when I would not otherwise be, which toes it into bus territory.

The real goal is to do about what you did yesterday - be violent and aggressive towards the scumbuddy, but have a valid excuse and logic to, at the end of the day, not be voting them. I think bussing is a bad strategy because town *expects* scum to bus, and at that point you're weakening one of scum's biggest strengths (controlling votes) while doing exactly what town wants (putting votes on scum) for the gain of not looking like a buddy afterwards - which is why distancing is better, because it creates the only benefit of bussing, without the issue of actually helping the town wincon. You do have to be mindful however, distancing without ever voting or pressing will look fake, scummy, and stupid - so you can't go too soft either.

[Harkonnen97]

Thor, believe in the me that believes in you.

[Thor665]

I'm not saying you're doing anything wrong - I actually think this is scum's game to lose, we'd both need to kind of roll over at this stage for town to have much of a chance.
I just like expounding on theory.

[Harkonnen97]

If possible, tommorow please play with the mindset that Shadow is your scumbuddy. It will make it easier for me later

[Thor665]

Dude, why do you think Penguin got lynched for being my scumbuddy?
Trust me, I'm on this.

[innocentvillager]

Cock a doodle doo bitches.