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Post Post #125 (ISO) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 11:20 am

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In post 114, Skold wrote: Okay, but that doesn't help you find scum. I'll promise you it doesn't. Scumtells don't mean much honestly, because town make just as many poor decisions as scum.
I disagree with that assessment. Even if they're not always indicative of scum, they're definitely worth pressuring. Especially on D1 when we just need content.

While you said D1 might as well be random in but most of the rest of your posts don't seem like they're putting pressure to get content when you also just said you wanted 15 pages. Pressure gets content.

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It's also worth noting that Karnos (who's voting IV atm) has almost no posts in this game, but has posted in other ongoing games. (pinned post implies this is allowed to me).

Could you (Karnos) answer IV's request?
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Post Post #126 (ISO) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 12:43 pm

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I'm a little preoccupied right now, can't make a detailed iso analysis post. But basically the issue I have is the ratio of theory/IC posts vs scum hunting posts.

I can accept a small number of scum hunting posts if the player is just low activity overall, but when he is making half a dozen IC posts he obviously had time to potentially make a similiar number of scum hunting posts, and choose not to.

Besides that, I find his scum case towards Enefpe to be a bit weak, but this has already been addressed by others.
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Post Post #127 (ISO) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 12:55 pm

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What's nai?

Also Karnos post above me feels very scummy. Idk if activity in another game is reason for suspicion I've seen town players do it.

I don't think iv is the Lynch I haven't seen enough reason to Lynch one of the more active players in the game
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Post Post #128 (ISO) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 12:58 pm

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Umm, so I need to post, but I'm not sure what to say. Transcend is being weirdly aggressive on IV and Enefpe hasn't returned. If it came down to either being the popular vote, I'm willing to lynch either to get a high potential mafia. But other than that, I'd probably vote Karnos because he/she hasn't commented on much and just argues that everyone should be focused on scum-hunting. I could see mafia-Karnos wanting to push people to go after each other and sit back like that; plus the opening vote Karnos made seemed kind of aggressive and serious for a random vote to get the game going...Mori is also suspicious because he/she hasn't participated really. Would rather eliminate someone like that to get rid of the huge unknown factor, even if they are Town.

But I'm just going to say it because it seems true more times than not from what I've seen. Unless you know a player to see if they are acting off, D1 lynching is unlikely to get a mafia. Town do all sorts of things that seem scummy. It's frustrating, but it's just how the game is. IMO, because it's hard to get mafia on D1, the best lynch for D1 is the one that gives Town the most information to work with regarding all the players.
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Post Post #129 (ISO) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 1:04 pm

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Also, I'm not seeing how Ironstove and IV are scummy. Can someone explain to me why they are being aggressively targeted at this stage of the game?
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Post Post #130 (ISO) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 4:41 pm

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In post 126, karnos wrote:I can accept a small number of scum hunting posts if the player is just low activity overall, but when he is making half a dozen IC posts he obviously had time to potentially make a similiar number of scum hunting posts, and choose not to.
Hmm I guess that's fair, I hadn't really thought about that. We should still wait until Monday to put him at L-1 though imo

In post 127, ironstove wrote:What's nai?
Non-Alignment Indicative
Also Karnos post above me feels very scummy. Idk if activity in another game is reason for suspicion I've seen town players do it.
Activity in other games isn't suspicious by itself, it's only suspicious if they have high activity in other games (especially concurrent ones) but low/no activity in this one.
In post 128, Soula wrote:If it came down to either being the popular vote, I'm willing to lynch either to get a high potential mafia.
I must be reading this wrong, because the grammar isn't making sense to me right now.
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Post Post #131 (ISO) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 4:52 pm

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I think mori or karnos are good lynches for D1, I'm fine with lynching mori. Him and karnos are null reads but they've both been useless so far in the game and I'd rather remove the nulls beforehand in order to progress the game.

VOTE: mori
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Post Post #132 (ISO) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 4:53 pm

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In post 126, karnos wrote:Besides that, I find his scum case towards Enefpe to be a bit weak, but this has already been addressed by others.
never made case on him.
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Post Post #133 (ISO) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 5:27 pm

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In post 130, Joushi wrote:
In post 128, Soula wrote:If it came down to either being the popular vote, I'm willing to lynch either to get a high potential mafia.
I must be reading this wrong, because the grammar isn't making sense to me right now.
ohh, yeah I guess it is. I'm just saying I'm willing to vote them to get a lynch.
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Post Post #134 (ISO) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 5:29 pm

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In post 131, ironstove wrote:I think mori or karnos are good lynches for D1, I'm fine with lynching mori. Him and karnos are null reads but they've both been useless so far in the game and I'd rather remove the nulls beforehand in order to progress the game.

VOTE: mori
seconded. I think I'd rather vote Karnos though. But I can go for Mori, at least until Mori decides to participate.

UNVOTE: Enefpe
VOTE: Mori
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Post Post #135 (ISO) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 7:26 pm

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Actually, I changed my mind.

VOTE: karnos
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Post Post #136 (ISO) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 7:43 pm

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In post 134, Soula wrote:
In post 131, ironstove wrote:I think mori or karnos are good lynches for D1, I'm fine with lynching mori. Him and karnos are null reads but they've both been useless so far in the game and I'd rather remove the nulls beforehand in order to progress the game.

VOTE: mori
seconded. I think I'd rather vote Karnos though. But I can go for Mori, at least until Mori decides to participate.

UNVOTE: Enefpe
VOTE: Mori
Ick this vote was smelly
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Post Post #137 (ISO) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 8:18 pm

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In post 136, Transcend wrote:
In post 134, Soula wrote:
In post 131, ironstove wrote:I think mori or karnos are good lynches for D1, I'm fine with lynching mori. Him and karnos are null reads but they've both been useless so far in the game and I'd rather remove the nulls beforehand in order to progress the game.

VOTE: mori
seconded. I think I'd rather vote Karnos though. But I can go for Mori, at least until Mori decides to participate.

UNVOTE: Enefpe
VOTE: Mori
Ick this vote was smelly
whatever. I'm getting bored and almost got mod replaced because of it; I just want to progress the game. This is a LONG Day. There's not much to go on and at least getting rid of Mori eliminates any possibility of lurking as mafia. It's really convenient to not even participate in day 1 as mafia. Everyone just ignores them and then they pop up mafia later.

And that's rich coming from you, one of the scummiest players this round. Can you be any more random in your accusations?
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Post Post #138 (ISO) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 8:23 pm

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So do we still have 7 days left for Day 1? or is it going to end soon? Confused
In post 4, Xalxe wrote:
With 8/9 confirmations, Day 1 begins!


Deadline is 14 days from this post, or (expired on 2016-08-14 09:17:39).
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Post Post #139 (ISO) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 8:25 pm

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If you think I'm scummy, then vote me. There's been momentum on me. Why have you pursued shit-lynches like Mori whom you don't even fos over me who you do fos?
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Post Post #140 (ISO) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 8:26 pm

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The higher the person is on the list the more likely I think they are to be town.

{ironstove}
{Skold, Joushi}
{Enefpe no Time}
{Mori, karnos}
{Soula}
{innocentvillager}

Thoughts?
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Post Post #141 (ISO) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 8:53 pm

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In post 139, Transcend wrote:If you think I'm scummy, then vote me. There's been momentum on me. Why have you pursued shit-lynches like Mori whom you don't even fos over me who you do fos?
Ridiculous. Pretty much all of the scum tells have been laughable up to this point. People just keep harping on little things and seeing what they want. I voted Enefpe because she/he made accusations and then wouldn't back them up, which I could easily see a newbie mafia doing without realizing how obvious that makes them. That's a lot more reasonable then going after people because you interpreted their posts as scummy. I voted Mori because I don't like the unknown factor. I followed a game where some players were more or less absent the whole game or subbed out only to turn mafia at the end. That totally ruins the game. If wanting to avoid that makes me look scummy, then I've pretty much lost interest in this game. And feel free to vote me.

And honestly, I don't think you're scum at this point. Scum-reading me over one little thing is a little annoying, but your play-style has been too overt and prickly for mafia. You're making yourself a target and that doesn't really make sense to me. It would just make the game a lot harder for you to do that. It doesn't add up. But if you are doing that and manage to pull it off, I'll be impressed.

No, I'm sticking to Mori for now because I want them to post and join the game; otherwise I want them gone for the huge annoying unknown factor. If that makes me scummy, so be it.
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Post Post #142 (ISO) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 9:20 pm

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In post 134, Soula wrote: VOTE: Mori
In post 135, ironstove wrote:Actually, I changed my mind.

VOTE: karnos
Ugh both of these don't sit well with me. I understand the sentiment of wanting to lynch people with low activity for that alone, but neither of them are striking me as particularly scummy to me. Could @Stove give a little more context to the switch? I'll let Transcend push the other line
In post 138, Soula wrote:So do we still have 7 days left for Day 1? or is it going to end soon? Confused
Yes. I'm on my phone but if this is a long day, these newbie games are probably not what you're looking for. You could try getting into some theme games or other queues, I remember those as having higher activity levels
In post 140, Transcend wrote:The higher the person is on the list the more likely I think they are to be town.

{ironstove}
{Skold, Joushi}
{Enefpe no Time}
{Mori, karnos}
{Soula}
{innocentvillager}

Thoughts?
At what point does the list transition from town to scum?
Do you think IV and Soula are a scumteam? If not, who are their most likely teammates?

Longish post coming in like an hour or so when I'm back at my pc
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Post Post #143 (ISO) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 9:34 pm

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In post 142, Joushi wrote:
In post 134, Soula wrote: VOTE: Mori
In post 135, ironstove wrote:Actually, I changed my mind.

VOTE: karnos
Ugh both of these don't sit well with me. I understand the sentiment of wanting to lynch people with low activity for that alone, but neither of them are striking me as particularly scummy to me. Could @Stove give a little more context to the switch? I'll let Transcend push the other line
Seriously? You can't even understand why those two have a high scum read?

Funny how Transcend puts you top on suspected Town and suddenly you're like his buddy and the more reasonable scum votes don't "sit well" with you. Is it that one of them is your scum buddy and that doesn't sit well with you? Hmmm...you've been playing really kind of hands off on scum-hunting, appearing innocuous and all that. Yeah, so you got any real reads or is it just posturing with you?
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Post Post #144 (ISO) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 9:54 pm

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@Joushi

Karnos and Mori are entirely null.

Everyone else I townread with varying degrees.

Everyone below those two I scumread.
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Post Post #145 (ISO) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 10:13 pm

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Alright let's preface this by saying that the mod has more posts than 3 of our players. Karnos (who has at least responded to every time they're specifically prodded to my knowledge), Mori (replaced rar something) and Enefpe have a combined 14 posts. I understand players are playing multiple games, and that real life is (and should) take precedence over any games you play online, but this game will take forever and be less interesting without more activity. Thank you Xalxe for doing your best to prod those players who have not been active.

That said, Transcend is still topping my list of scumreads. My post is still something I stand by, but the slow change in playstyle to something a lot closer to what we saw in previous threads does reduce how striking the difference is.

His ISO of then going after IV, who I read null before his V/LA and still stand by that read, over issues that seem small don't sit well with me. The argument in is overall broad and I don't see how the "tone" of IV's posts are pointing towards scum. and , while funny, also seem like random AtE to me. and , while not necessarily scum-indicative are also very anti-town. "No more logic and pressure, I want deaths!" I don't agree with the read, and some of the posts make me believe it's more antagonistic than actual scum-hunting. While not bad by itself, the lack of affirmation of Karnos' doesn't help.

My vote is also on Enefpe because he's my second scumread, and it's more likely we'll see Enefpe lynched today than Transcend (0 on Transcend with Stove's vote change and still 2 on Enefpe). Case can be found in .

Pedit: How does this qualify @Soula? I haven't had anything new to go off of on Enefpe because they've been gone and support for a Transcend lynch just disappeared. Stove seems very newb and very town overall, and I don't have strong reads on the other players, and IV only leans town imo because Transcend is pushing hard for a lynch and that would be one hell of a bus if it was one.
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Post Post #146 (ISO) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 10:35 pm

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In post 145, Joushi wrote: Pedit: How does this qualify @Soula? I haven't had anything new to go off of on Enefpe because they've been gone and support for a Transcend lynch just disappeared. Stove seems very newb and very town overall, and I don't have strong reads on the other players, and IV only leans town imo because Transcend is pushing hard for a lynch and that would be one hell of a bus if it was one.
Fair enough; thanks for providing some kind of reasoning behind your reads. I just don't understand why a mafia-Transcend would be so keen on making themselves a target; the game I played in before, I tunneled someone like that in the second round and they were Town, so I'm hesitant, but I don't know.

Since we have 7 days and it's only first round, I'll be back in a few days to hopefully see more posts with Karnos, Mori, and Enefpe and have something to actually work with.
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Post Post #147 (ISO) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 11:04 pm

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In post 141, Soula wrote:
In post 139, Transcend wrote:If you think I'm scummy, then vote me. There's been momentum on me. Why have you pursued shit-lynches like Mori whom you don't even fos over me who you do fos?
Ridiculous. Pretty much all of the scum tells have been laughable up to this point. People just keep harping on little things and seeing what they want. I voted Enefpe because she/he made accusations and then wouldn't back them up, which I could easily see a newbie mafia doing without realizing how obvious that makes them. That's a lot more reasonable then going after people because you interpreted their posts as scummy. I voted Mori because I don't like the unknown factor. I followed a game where some players were more or less absent the whole game or subbed out only to turn mafia at the end. That totally ruins the game. If wanting to avoid that makes me look scummy, then I've pretty much lost interest in this game. And feel free to vote me.

And honestly, I don't think you're scum at this point. Scum-reading me over one little thing is a little annoying, but your play-style has been too overt and prickly for mafia. You're making yourself a target and that doesn't really make sense to me. It would just make the game a lot harder for you to do that. It doesn't add up. But if you are doing that and manage to pull it off, I'll be impressed.

No, I'm sticking to Mori for now because I want them to post and join the game; otherwise I want them gone for the huge annoying unknown factor. If that makes me scummy, so be it.
Solid post, I agree with this reasoning.

I'll sheep soula's vote.
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Post Post #148 (ISO) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 11:05 pm

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Reason I switched from Mori to Karnos is that Mori might legit be AFK town while Karnos has posted a bit, and what he has posted has been utterly useless and he still continues to afk. Also weak excuses for being AFK. Anyway if Soula votes Mori tho, I'll go with Soula.
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Post Post #149 (ISO) » Sun Aug 07, 2016 12:15 am

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In post 142, Joushi wrote: At what point does the list transition from town to scum?
Do you think IV and Soula are a scumteam? If not, who are their most likely teammates?
In post 144, Transcend wrote:@Joushi

Karnos and Mori are entirely null.

Everyone else I townread with varying degrees.

Everyone below those two I scumread.
Is that a yes to the second question?
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