Open 642 - The Woodshed - Game Over

[DrippingGoofball]

Yeah I think so too

[Ranger]

@ranger/panther: talk about your Titus read a bit more?

Well, for a start, off the top of my head...
First red flag: trying to buddy to two players who are both probably town: "Hey, Ranger, DGB, can we work together?"
Second red flag: White knighting a mislynch bait player, e.g. me.

I'd have to look at all the posts to find all the pertinent details beyond those two, but they are the largest, most important of the red flags. There's others, too, but those alone are instantly enough to make me speed-paranoid of Titus.

[Ranger]

I think making this post (screw you for calling me dumb and/or lazy) is outside her wolf range barring good evidence to the contrary.

Every scum!Titus game ever?

"Screw you for..." is a standard part of Titus games, period. Town, scum, doesn't matter. I'd have to do my homework to see if there's any particular alignment distribution in method and frequency, which to be frank I'm not gonna bother doing, but it's there as both alignments, guaranteed.

So, unless Alpaca is suddenly bussing you, I see no scenario in which you're scum.

What

bus?
The way Alpaca handled mhsmith is one of the reasons Alpaca made my shortlist in the first place.

[Xkfyu]

Xkfyu wrote:
So, unless Alpaca is suddenly bussing you, I see no scenario in which you're scum.
What bus?
The way Alpaca handled mhsmith is one of the reasons Alpaca made my shortlist in the first place.

I was referring to Alpaca's recent vote on smith.

[mhsmith0]

The two games I was in with wolf!titus replacing in.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

The "fuck you" attitude wasn't really there much in either game. Notably, in 1782 it pops up in post 1861 as a response to an AI accusation (lurking) against her, as opposed to this game where it pops up as a response to my "this town was lazy" bit.

Looking at the game ranger and Titus just finished, it's a similar story there.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=66922

Someone described Harb (a very good player on playdip) as basically being affable and reasonable while pushing mislynches. In a three game sample size, that seems to fit Titus's wolf meta pretty well too (though she's likelier to get actively angry/hostile when pressured). I look at this game and don't see similar tendencies. Like, at all. Or, as panther would say, "VAST TONAL GULF".

Ps town game from Titus. Hostility and bluntness jumps off the page
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

This game
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
Not 100% in line w town game but WAY closer to that than her three wolf games.

At any rate if someone wants to show a scum!titus game where the tone/approach is similar to this game, cool, but otherwise I'm just not seeing it.

[mhsmith0]

I'll also talk about why I town read that particular moment from Titus in more detail if people are curious. Likely not until tonight though.

[Titus]

VOTE: Ranger

Mhsmith is going too far for this to be a white knight of me IMO.

[PantherPunt]

Smith where are you currently on Ranger

you've been talking about yourself and Titus mostly

[mhsmith0]

I'm still thinking ranger is wolf but want to re read. There's something specific nagging me wrt one of her posts that I want to think on, and I want to re read others too. Notably, I want to see if I get a stronger read on alpaca or btd now that I know neither was lurking / active lurking due to being a pr. That's a weekend thing tho tbh.

[Xkfyu]

@mod I'll be V/LA for the weekend, and likely not be posting. I'll be back first thing Monday morning (EST).

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm willing to vote Ranger

[Quaroath]

Vote count 3.6

mhsmith - (3) BTD6_maker, DrippingGoofball, AlpacaAlpaca
Titus – (2) Xkfyu, PantherPunt
Ranger - (2) mhsmith, titus

Not Voting - (1) Ranger

With 8 eligible to vote, is takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is @ 8/9 @ 10pm PST

Corrected

[DrippingGoofball]

VOTE: Ranger

[Titus]

VOTE: Ranger

[mhsmith0]

so 50/50 in there. the only world I've ruled out as w/w is Titus/Smith so it probably makes sense to check if I can rule Alpaca/BTD out as w/w

Thoughts on alpaca and btd as possible w/w? My PoE at this point is basically {ranger, btd, alpaca}, but I think alpaca is the likeliest to be town in there and I think ranger/btd fits reasonably well w the game state.

[mhsmith0]

BTD6_maker is a hard read. I don't see a lot of good from him. I don't remember anything particularly egregious from him either, though, so he has that in his favor.

Other than...
- the hammer vote with a blame-deflecting "hey you can still scum hunt" and an absurd "scum would be likely to fake claim tree"
- the return to the blame-deflecting mindset when talking themselves into a ranger vote in 292
- the "ranger v smith is v/w" in 626
Etc.

Seriously, ranger, talk through your btd read, because your consistent lack of curiosity wrt that slot really makes me think your engagement there is just strategic. If you are town and have an actual town read there you REALLY need to justify it.

[mhsmith0]

^was 632 not 626.

[BTD6_maker]

BTD6_maker is a hard read. I don't see a lot of good from him. I don't remember anything particularly egregious from him either, though, so he has that in his favor.

Other than...
- the hammer vote with a blame-deflecting "hey you can still scum hunt" and an absurd "scum would be likely to fake claim tree"
- the return to the blame-deflecting mindset when talking themselves into a ranger vote in 292
- the "ranger v smith is v/w" in 626
Etc.

Seriously, ranger, talk through your btd read, because your consistent lack of curiosity wrt that slot really makes me think your engagement there is just strategic. If you are town and have an actual town read there you REALLY need to justify it.

How many times will you use the same old points time and time again?
For 1, I have refuted this many times in the past. I did not blame-deflect and the "absurd" comment was never my hammering reason.
For 2, this was again not blame-deflecting. Ranger was a scumread of mine. Also, note that I was actually voting Music and Mail, my stronger scumread.
For 3, I had given an explanation, and that explanation has been debated.

In short, you are trying to justify scummy pushes on me using old, refuted points.

[BTD6_maker]

My Internet is fine today, but I will have to resort to phone-posting if I post at all tomorrow. After that, my V/LA will end.

[mhsmith0]

Who are you currently town reading and why? Who are you currently scum reading and why? The beetle juice appearance is amusing, but what do you have to say about players other than yourself?

[BTD6_maker]

You already know I am scumreading you and Ranger.
Titus is also a scumread, but this is weaker.
PantherPunt, Xkfyu, and Alpaca are Townreads of mine.
DGB is confTown.

I will fully explain the "why" later.

[mhsmith0]

Define "later". This game day? Within 24 hours? Game day ends 8/9 and it's entirely reasonable of me to demand actual content from your slot. For someone with over 100 posts your content has been sorely lacking other than self defense, and it's now confirmed that you are NOT just the town pr hiding out.

[Quaroath]

Travelling tonight/tomorrow, but will be home come afternoon.

Ranger, innocentvillager, and alpacaalpaca have been prodded.

[mhsmith0]

OK, < 48 hours left. What is everyone's lynch pool for today?

Mine: {ranger, btd, alpaca}

[Ranger]

{mhsmith, Titus}

VOTE: mhsmith.