Newbie 1730 - To The North (Game Over)

[ironstove]

Such horrible scum tells, like why are you making this so easy? If town weren't a bunch of zombies, then this game would be over already since I solved the entire game for them, just need them to get out of their coffins and cast votes.

[Skold]

Ironstove shut up. Seriously, your scumtells aren't anything other than pointing out poor habits that town also have. I don't mind any of your lynches, but I'm getting fucking sick of the would be mafia gods that always turn out to follow the statistical trends because of course they do.

[Skold]

You want the town to become complacent so you can sneak by and snag an easy win.

I recognize that mafia is a more complex game than is made out by like almost all players. I also recognize that the best a scumtell will ever get is slightly improving the chance of someone being scum rather than guaranteeing anything. Even something as blatant as a preclaim hammer can, has and will continue to be done by silly town acting silly.

[ironstove]

Nice manufactured rage trying to town tell. Obvious scum is so obvious with the linear brain strats.

[Transcend]

Iron is town just really interesting lol

[Xalxe]

Vote Count 1.7

The most dangerous game is man. The most entertaining game is Broadway Puppy Ball. The most weird game is Esoteric Bear.

innocentvillager (3)

: Transcend, Enefpe no Time, karnos

Enefpe no Time (2)

: Skold, Joushi

karnos (1)

: innocentvillager

Mori (1)

: Soula

Skold (1)

: ironstove

Not Voting

: Mori

Deadline

: (expired on 2016-08-14 09:17:39)

Mori is being replaced.

[ironstove]

Xalxe are you throwing in those quotes as plugs for us to listen to your podcast? =)

[Transcend]

innocentvillager hardclaimed scum ccan you guys stop pursuing these shitlynches and lynch him already lol

[Soula]

Oh gee, I come back and wow, what do I see,

Enefpe decides not to participate.
Karnos still criticizing other people for making claims, while not claiming anything of his own.
Transcend still pushing IV, who is pretty much vacant at this point, yet criticizes me for doing the same. :eyeroll:

innocentvillager hardclaimed scum ccan you guys stop pursuing these shitlynches and lynch him already lol

Alright genius. So IV, who has been pretty much absent and only made some meta-posts about the game, you read as hard scum? OH REALLY. Fine, I'll play your game. But if he flips green, you got some explaining to do.

[Soula]

^ Amended

VOTE: InnocentVillager

[Transcend]

LOL

L-1.

[karnos]

Alright genius. So IV, who has been pretty much absent and only made some meta-posts about the game, you read as hard scum? OH REALLY. Fine, I'll play your game. But if he flips green, you got some explaining to do.

Here is a read for you. The above is a huge scum flag, setup so you can miss lynch IV without being blamed for the lynch and turn it into a miss lynch on Transcend the following day.

[innocentvillager]

Alright genius. So IV, who has been pretty much absent and only made some meta-posts about the game, you read as hard scum? OH REALLY. Fine, I'll play your game. But if he flips green, you got some explaining to do.

Here is a read for you. The above is a huge scum flag, setup so you can miss lynch IV without being blamed for the lynch and turn it into a miss lynch on Transcend the following day.

Um

Why is your vote on me then

There is no continuity in this post

VOTE: karnos

[innocentvillager]

No I think I've seen enough from you. You can just die.

Uhhh... it's kinda fine actually. Bit crass but nothing personal, and honestly we aren't going to get anything solid D1.

Transcend, that kind of attitude is

never

okay, especially in newbie games.

Skold and Transcend, I said this because this is a terrible way to play as town especially (and it's almost too blatantly bad if it's scumplay). Going into shut-off mode after just like 5 pages in is terrible. I asked for a case on me or a summary of one, he not only gave an attitude (bad, but not alone horrible), he is completely closed off to the idea of me being town.

That said, I have yet to see a case on me. I can't really defend myself without a clear case on me.

The higher the person is on the list the more likely I think they are to be town.

{ironstove}
{Skold, Joushi}
{Enefpe no Time}
{Mori, karnos}
{Soula}
{innocentvillager}

Thoughts?

Readlists are a lazy way of contributing and that list is completely arbitrary.

dgaf

More attitude from Transcend. Here, you are clearly the one who asked for thoughts. You got thoughts, and just because they're not what you wanted to hear, you push it off. ENGAGE other people. Engage your townreads, engage your scumreads to show evidence that they're scum, etc. I think you could be a good player if you weren't so closed-minded (idk if it's just you think game, or what), tried to engage with people instead of complained and blanketly accused in-thread, and attacked people with actual content. I know you hate walls, and it's clear from your posting that you do, but if you expect to be a good player this game I highly suggest you use more effort to engage players with logic, and sometimes that requires "walls".

Liking this infighting, beginning to understand who is town more. I still dont like joushi. Lots of weird energies in this game. At a glance i am dubious of soula for saying i have been "floundering" but this response is ego based. Goin to be camping the next few days.

Innocentvillager is a strong lynch, still. Read his posts. They have a very fakey tone.

Enefpe, like all of your other posts, this is what we call a blanket accusation. It's extremely arbitrary, and you're not actually pointing out any specifics here. As a town member, you're trying find scum, but also to convince people to vote for who you think is scum. You can't just say something like "read his posts and you'll see it's fake." That's not convincing, nor are any town members going to take you seriously for something like that. I suggest, if you truly think my posts are fake, go back and point out specific quotes of mine that look fake, and explain WHY they look fake. Of course, I think you are maybe too entrenched in confbias here, and will begin to see all of my posts as fake, but the point is for you to be able to make your own case on me and convince neutral town members to vote me.

All of this said, I think karnos needs some examination. I really don't like that he attacked Soula for putting me at L-1 trying to "ML" me. It looks almost as though he knows that I am town and that I am going to get ML'd, yet his vote remains on me. It doesn't sound like a town-motived player at all.

[innocentvillager]

Nice manufactured rage trying to town tell. Obvious scum is so obvious with the linear brain strats.

Ironstove, I suggest you stop this attitude as well. I'm not seeing the "obvious scum" that you accuse Skold of, and you are not helping your case by not explaining or pointing out specifics. It seems like you, along with Enefpe, may be too entrenched in confbias to evaluate accurately. If not, show us with specific quotes and reasoning.

[innocentvillager]

If you think I'm scummy, then vote me. There's been momentum on me. Why have you pursued shit-lynches like Mori whom you don't even fos over me who you do fos?

Ridiculous. Pretty much all of the scum tells have been laughable up to this point. People just keep harping on little things and seeing what they want. I voted Enefpe because she/he made accusations and then wouldn't back them up, which I could easily see a newbie mafia doing without realizing how obvious that makes them. That's a lot more reasonable then going after people because you interpreted their posts as scummy. I voted Mori because I don't like the unknown factor. I followed a game where some players were more or less absent the whole game or subbed out only to turn mafia at the end. That totally ruins the game. If wanting to avoid that makes me look scummy, then I've pretty much lost interest in this game. And feel free to vote me.

And honestly, I don't think you're scum at this point. Scum-reading me over one little thing is a little annoying, but your play-style has been too overt and prickly for mafia. You're making yourself a target and that doesn't really make sense to me. It would just make the game a lot harder for you to do that. It doesn't add up. But if you are doing that and manage to pull it off, I'll be impressed.

No, I'm sticking to Mori for now because I want them to post and join the game; otherwise I want them gone for the huge annoying unknown factor. If that makes me scummy, so be it.

This an extremely town post from Soula.

Here are some of my reads at this point, I'd be happy to elaborate on any of these if you'd like:

-Random Disclaimer: Btw, I'm not a particularly fan of the "Ranger style reads" that Transcend (and many other scummers on here) have been using, since often it is unclear where people actually stand on the spectrum; it only shows reads relative to each other. I think people only use them because they look elegant, but it really doesn't say anything about how scummy or how null/town, etc. different people are. If anyone still chooses to format their reads as such, I suggest you clarify where null is, where strong town is, and how far important people are on the spectrum.

Reads

Town: ironstove, Soula
Lean Town: Transcend, Joushi
Null: Enefpe, Mori, Skold
Lean Scum: karnos

[ironstove]

If I hammer iv and he flips town will you all stop with your awful reads please?

[ironstove]

Just hop on my Tokyo bullet train headed to Lynch city with its first stop at karnos' neck

[innocentvillager]

If I hammer iv and he flips town will you all stop with your awful reads please?

*IC hat on*

Ironstove, we still have more than 5.5 days, *IC hat off* and no good case on me exists *IC hat on*, so it is not good theory play here to hammer. *IC hat off*

I highly suggest you look at karnos. What are your thoughts of his scumread on Soula for putting me at L-1 to "ML me", but then subsequently not switching his vote from me to Soula?

Also, I would be interested for you to elaborate further on your Skold scumread, blanket accusations aside.

[ironstove]

Nice manufactured rage trying to town tell. Obvious scum is so obvious with the linear brain strats.

Ironstove, I suggest you stop this attitude as well. I'm not seeing the "obvious scum" that you accuse Skold of, and you are not helping your case by not explaining or pointing out specifics. It seems like you, along with Enefpe, may be too entrenched in confbias to evaluate accurately. If not, show us with specific quotes and reasoning.

Dude just trust me, you think I'm town. He is scum... Karnos is 90% scum so he's the Lynch

[ironstove]

Iv I would read too much into his accusations the guy is just probing cuz it is d1 n getting reactions n reads. He's just walking around sniffing everyone's butt to see who is the liar

[karnos]

Alright genius. So IV, who has been pretty much absent and only made some meta-posts about the game, you read as hard scum? OH REALLY. Fine, I'll play your game. But if he flips green, you got some explaining to do.

Here is a read for you. The above is a huge scum flag, setup so you can miss lynch IV without being blamed for the lynch and turn it into a miss lynch on Transcend the following day.

Um

Why is your vote on me then

There is no continuity in this post

It's a scum read based on Soula having inside knowledge that you will flip town. Of course if you actually flip scum, then that will show the read for just being a red herring as many reads are.

It wouldn't make sense to switch votes now, it's a conditional read on Soula based on your flip- which we haven't seen yet.

[karnos]

Iv I would read too much into his accusations the guy is just probing cuz it is d1 n getting reactions n reads. He's just walking around sniffing everyone's butt to see who is the liar

Are you referring to yourself in the 3rd person?

[ironstove]

A man does not respond to a question from a scum.

[ironstove]

Lol this guy reads soula as hard scum LMFAO LYNCH HIM HE'S SO BAD AT SCUM.