Newbie 1730 - To The North (Game Over)

[ironstove]

BTW I feel this is obvious but just in case I'll mention: if you're L-1 n a pr you need to out.

[innocentvillager]

Dude just trust me, you think I'm town. He is scum... Karnos is 90% scum so he's the Lynch

I'm not even sure if you're that town anymore. You're voting literally the wrong person then. So who are you scumreading??? Skold or karnos??

Iv I would read too much into his accusations the guy is just probing cuz it is d1 n getting reactions n reads. He's just walking around sniffing everyone's butt to see who is the liar

Blanket accusation. No one is going to take you seriously if you boldly accuse like that, let alone get your targets mixed up.

Alright genius. So IV, who has been pretty much absent and only made some meta-posts about the game, you read as hard scum? OH REALLY. Fine, I'll play your game. But if he flips green, you got some explaining to do.

Here is a read for you. The above is a huge scum flag, setup so you can miss lynch IV without being blamed for the lynch and turn it into a miss lynch on Transcend the following day.

Um

Why is your vote on me then

There is no continuity in this post

It's a scum read based on Soula having inside knowledge that you will flip town. Of course if you actually flip scum, then that will show the read for just being a red herring as many reads are.

It wouldn't make sense to switch votes now, it's a conditional read on Soula based on your flip- which we haven't seen yet.

I guess that makes sense, but it didn't seem conditional (the way you phrased it). I'm still minor scumreading you.

Karnos, is your only reason for voting me the ratio of IC to "scumhunting" posts? Which is a laughable accusation when most of said posts were 3 pages in and there was a lot of newbie-confusion going around.

A man does not respond to a question from a scum.

This is false. As town, you SHOULD want to engage your scumread, in an effort to reevaluate whether or not you are actually on the right track, since the more you engage with them the more you can see their thought process and make a firmer decision on whether or not their reasoning is fabricated, has ill-intent, etc., so that you can actually have more concrete stuff to show town.

BTW I feel this is obvious but just in case I'll mention: if you're L-1 n a pr you need to out.

I will not claim with 5+ days left. Like I said with my IC hat on (don't forget, I'm not allowed to lie about theory as an IC), this is a rushed lynch with basically no evidence and I refuse to claim until someone shows me a decent case.

[ironstove]

Wow pretty scummy. If you don't claim now I'll hammer you then.

[Transcend]

Alright genius. So IV, who has been pretty much absent and only made some meta-posts about the game, you read as hard scum? OH REALLY. Fine, I'll play your game. But if he flips green, you got some explaining to do.

Here is a read for you. The above is a huge scum flag, setup so you can miss lynch IV without being blamed for the lynch and turn it into a miss lynch on Transcend the following day.

Um

Why is your vote on me then

There is no continuity in this post

VOTE: karnos

This post is basically a scumclaim. Ironstove, please hammer.

[karnos]

Wow pretty scummy. If you don't claim now I'll hammer you then.

UNVOTE:

Premature hammering like this isn't helpful. I'm not unvoting because I suddenly think IV is town, but I'd rather not see him hammered so early.

[innocentvillager]

This post is basically a scumclaim. Ironstove, please hammer.

You have no case on me, and your push is fucking shit. Come at me with actual content, and maybe then we can talk. Your attitude this game especially but not exclusively towards me has been unsubstantiated, lazy, minimalist, stubborn, and accusatory with no content.

Again, you have no case on me. You saying "I've basically claimed scum" is not productive town behavior at all, and it needs to stop.

Content, Transcend. It's not that difficult.

[innocentvillager]

I'm trying to keep my posts as tempered as possible since I am an IC this game and I don't want to rage at the newbies but I'm seriously getting sick of this unsubstantiated scumread shit. There's no fucking way I can defend myself against a horribad lynch if no one comes at me with concrete content.

[innocentvillager]

Wait ironstove who are you scumreading?? Karnos, skold, or both? You never even answered! I'm giving you a chance here to correct what others might have tried to frame as a slip. You are just tunneling here with literally no basis and confbiasing yourself into believing you have found scum when you obviously have not.

Ironstove, I tried telling you nicely in previous posts. In the least sugarcoated way possible, stop fucking accusing people like me, skold, karnos based on nothing, or blanket accusations. Pull your head out of your ass, and engage people with logic. I promise, that is how you play this game. Not what Transcend is doing here, he's a fucking terrible example of how play on this site should be like as either alignment (maybe less so as scum).

[innocentvillager]

Karnos, is your only reason for voting me the ratio of IC to "scumhunting" posts? Which is a laughable accusation when most of said posts were 3 pages in and there was a lot of newbie-confusion going around.

Karnos can you answer this?

[Enefpe no Time]

lynch this

[karnos]

Karnos, is your only reason for voting me the ratio of IC to "scumhunting" posts? Which is a laughable accusation when most of said posts were 3 pages in and there was a lot of newbie-confusion going around.

Karnos can you answer this?

It seems like a silly question, but sure I'll humor you.

It's a reason, is it the only reason?

No.

[innocentvillager]

k what else then karnos

Also can you refute my refutation of why that scumread is

Come on, you're an SE, you should know better.

@Enefpe You need to answer my question on what specific posts you find fake, and if so, why. What you are doing currently is terrible town play if you are town.

[Enefpe no Time]

Getting my scumreads lynched; a truly terrible strategem. Im afraid you have me in checkmate, sir.

[innocentvillager]

Whatever, if you want to be a stubborn dick about it fine, I'm not going to even bother to try and help you correct your horrible play anymore.

[Transcend]

Karnos WDF u doin bruskii

[ironstove]

I scum read karnos because I caught him blatantly lying about reading the thread when he justified his lynch. He's also been AFK up until I started applying pressure on him and now he prob feels the need to come out and defend himself.

The lynch on you out of the blue with no reason is scummy. Trying to run a train is also scummy. He also scum reads my highest town read soula.

Skold is not as heavy of a scum read, I fos him due to his unhelpful attitude, trying to shut down tunneling, reduce pressure and make town complacent. He hasn't helped at all in the scum hunt, he's just jumping in and out criticizing people's choices saying why they have the wrong person, this is something mafia do a lot to appear engaged but not contribute anything useful.

Tbh I also scumread IV, if he was really town he would have just asked to be lynched knowing the people who FOS him are suspect, and karnos trying to jump off the lynch train is also FOS because he knows if IV got hammered he would be next.

I was bluffing about the hammer, I wanted to see your reaction and it was still pretty scummy.

[ironstove]

I think it's too early to bus a teammate, so if IV flips town then I'm tunneling karnos/skold like fuck.

I really want to lynch karnos today.

[Enefpe no Time]

It should be moderately obvious that stove-kun is town. Righteous energy, lots of it. I dont see what you see in soula.

Transcend have you played em your name sounds familiar?

[ironstove]

It should be moderately obvious that stove-kun is town. Righteous energy, lots of it. I dont see what you see in soula.

Transcend have you played em your name sounds familiar?

That's stove-sama for you.

[Transcend]

Transcend have you played em your name sounds familiar?

'

Yessir I'm soda/Transcend on EM.

[innocentvillager]

Actually knowing that you are soda on EM makes me not townread you anymore since I can see scum!soda pushing a horrible wagon like this.

On that note:

@Enefpe, this is nothing like EM. Mafiascum is not meant to be played like EM. On EM you can get away with short, stupid phrases like "why me fry me" or "lynch this scum flailing dude"; basically AtE and gut bullshit, but on here, when we have a day that is 2000 times longer, you're actually supposed to use reasoning and examples. Gut is fine, just don't base everything off of gut and push for lynches you can only justify with "gut". Find some concrete reasons to scum read people.

I know I got frustrated with you earlier, but knowing that you are from EM makes more sense since I also transitioned from EM and still play on that terrible yet weirdly addicting site sometimes. It's a transition out of EM, but I promise, it will come with time. With a lot more content that people post, there are a lot more things you can notice in people other than the quick "tone" stuff you might look for in EM.

[innocentvillager]

Tbh I also scumread IV,

if he was really town he would have just asked to be lynched

knowing the people who FOS him are suspect, and karnos trying to jump off the lynch train is also FOS because he knows if IV got hammered he would be next.

Ironstove, town never wants to be lynched ever. Just because two people are pushing for my lynch does not mean they are scum. Just because I scum read people and I flip town, does not mean they will be lynched, and even if they are lynched, that does not mean my scum reads are confirmed scum. The point is, town has basically 2 chances to screw up the lynch before it's LYLO (lynch or lose), and no town should want to be one of the two MLs at any point.

[innocentvillager]

^That was theory with IC hat on, so I'm not lying to you about this.

[Enefpe no Time]

So who is scum iv

[Joushi]

HOLY BALLS SO MUCH ACTIVITY

No, I read the mod list on page 1. It says "Mori *, rep. RAR4703" RAR4703 hasn't posted yet.

Mori actually replaced Rar for the record. Probably will be replaced again at this rate.

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I'll respond to Stove more completely later on when I'm not at work, but couple things I've noticed in the past few pages:
-Attitude, like IV said, MS != EM. 215 was a great post, even if I disagree with some of the content.
-Nobody should ever want themselves to be lynched, besides the fact that it makes it harder for your team to win (1 player closer to losing regardless of side), you're also dead. Being dead is not as fun.
-I agree, I don't like Skold's playstyle. He's accusing people of being unproductive without necessarily being productive himself.
-Is Karnos/Skold your current scumteam? Remember, every scum has to have a partner
-Outing as PR on Day 1 is almost useless (depending on the role), as they'll just die at night anyway. There's a 2/9 chance of there being a doctor in this game, so they don't know they'll be protected

Alright genius. So IV, who has been pretty much absent and only made some meta-posts about the game, you read as hard scum? OH REALLY. Fine, I'll play your game. But if he flips green, you got some explaining to do.

Here is a read for you. The above is a huge scum flag, setup so you can miss lynch IV without being blamed for the lynch and turn it into a miss lynch on Transcend the following day.

This is like... one of the most productive things Karnos has said all game and a sentiment I agree with. "Oh no, you've made me lynch a townie, darn"

That said, I have yet to see a case on me. I can't really defend myself without a clear case on me.

126 is the best I've seen.

All of this said, I think karnos needs some examination. I really don't like that he attacked Soula for putting me at L-1 trying to "ML" me. It looks almost as though he knows that I am town and that I am going to get ML'd, yet his vote remains on me. It doesn't sound like a town-motived player at all.

I've agreed with most of what you've said, but I disagree here. I think it sounded pretty townie to me, if a bit aggressive. Calling people out when all they do is give themselves outs is an important thing to do. You're more likely to try and leave yourselves outs as scum imo.

But yes, EM and MS are very different. I left EM a long long time ago because it's like in-person mafia minus all the actual in-person benefits. Silly comments like 212 might work there, but here you just come off as dick-ish and stubborn.