Newbie 1730 - To The North (Game Over)

[Transcend]

EnT where have you been?

I have 3 gold trophies on EM. I demand to know who you are.

[Enefpe no Time]

demands will get you nowhere...sweet kisses on the other hand...

can you like get this iv lynch happening already (transcend and i are cheating em scumbuddies fyi, hence the buddying)

I aint got the energy for it

[ironstove]

I town read IV, I don't think he's the lynch. Although I do think his lynch provides a good cache of information to use in determining who is mafia in this game.

I am getting scum vibes from: skold, soula, and enefpe

null reads from joushi, transcend, karnos, and fiddler.

Enefpe, what are your reads so far this game?

[Transcend]

demands will get you nowhere...sweet kisses on the other hand...

can you like get this iv lynch happening already (transcend and i are cheating em scumbuddies fyi, hence the buddying)

I aint got the energy for it

I deny this lol.

[Transcend]

I town read IV, I don't think he's the lynch. Although I do think his lynch provides a good cache of information to use in determining who is mafia in this game.

I am getting scum vibes from: skold, soula, and enefpe

null reads from joushi, transcend, karnos, and fiddler.

Enefpe, what are your reads so far this game?

Bud.

You're supposed to make reads based off of content IN the game.

Not content from random.org

[karnos]

Transcend, I just checked your read, you are: 9988

[Enefpe no Time]

Dearest oni-stove-chan,

Didnt i literally just post my reads

I dont see how you could see anyone as null at this stage. Unrelated, why do you see me as scummy? Aside from say, bein a weirdo

[Enefpe no Time]

Can you guys just trust me on this iv lynch. Please pretty please. Maybe if i say please enough someone might change their mind. Also holy shit wifom alert but if he is scum im practically confirmed town. Actually, following my lynches is probably a good idea because im a decisive character (plus my reads are pretty on point huehue)

umm if i ever alluded to you being scum im really sorry so so sorry uhh yea lets just get this nasty evil iv lynched so that we may become one together

[Joushi]

Fiddler - liking this dude, well reasoned.

I bet he's a libra.

- town

Are you kidding me? Jesus christ.

Leaves me with skold, my read has changed on him, i see him running a lot of interference and being genuinely subversive.

I actually agree with this, as much as I hate to say it. He hasn't really posted much constructive content since 115, otherwise just going out of his way to tell everybody that they're John Snow and know nothing.

I have been less than impressed with IV since his grilling and he seems to have

dropped off the map a little bit since some of the pressure on him died down.

His response to transcend is very much coming from the mentality of feigned anger and like trying to point a finger at transcend's play.

How does this come off as scummy to you? The case has been like half of all content in the past several days, when the activity there dies down, activity would fall in general.

Also that condescending overtone is used by scum alot "ohhhh nice case bub, you finally did SOMETHING right" lots of tonal shifts from iv this game. Im fairly confident in my reads atm.

You are hardly one that gets to talk about condescending tones. If condescending tones was the only thing we were reading off of, you'd have been lynched already.

demands will get you nowhere...sweet kisses on the other hand...

can you like get this iv lynch happening already

(transcend and i are cheating em scumbuddies fyi, hence the buddying)

I aint got the energy for it

Just... what?
Bolded: That's one explanation for it, sure.

Dearest oni-stove-chan

Why?

I dont see how you could see anyone as null at this stage.

Easy, colloquialisms here generally tend to show that null roughly also means neutral or undecided.

Unrelated, why do you see me as scummy? Aside from say, bein a weirdo

63, 80, 84, it's not aimed at you but 145 mostly applies to you as well, and 276

You're still dodging the questions by scoffing, quoting pseudoscience, making condescending posts, and generally not actually being helpful.

Can you guys just trust me on this iv lynch. Please pretty please. Maybe if i say please enough someone might change their mind. Also holy shit wifom alert but if he is scum im practically confirmed town. Actually, following my lynches is probably a good idea because im a decisive character (plus my reads are pretty on point huehue)

umm if i ever alluded to you being scum im really sorry so so sorry uhh yea lets just get this nasty evil iv lynched so that we may become one together

Holy shit, WIFOM alert, automatically puts you on my lynch list, if you weren't there already.

Following your lynches is a good idea because you're decisive? That's demagoguery, not good reasons to follow you.

VOTE: Enefpe

[ironstove]

VOTE: Enefpe

[Enefpe no Time]

Im a pr fuck off

[Enefpe no Time]

Unvote now

[Enefpe no Time]

Joushi its like you dont understand subtlety or what it means to be tongue and cheek, youre so bizarre are all ms players this weird. You literally need me to explain a very obvious joke...its like lol??

[Skold]

That's not good enough. A PR claim that goes no further leaves mafia a papertrail to justify a fakeclaim later. Full claim it.
Theory bit here - Docs and BPs should claim doc/bp because it WIFOMs mafia.

[Skold]

actually fuck that what am I thinking. don't full claim.

[Joushi]

Im a pr fuck off

Unvote now

Joushi its like you dont understand subtlety or what it means to be tongue and cheek, youre so bizarre are all ms players this weird. You literally need me to explain a very obvious joke...its like lol??

Your play doesn't actually make any sense to me, and frankly, I don't believe the claim. You're not even at L-1 yet, and we've already been over this conversation with Stove about claiming this early.

The first prod, sure I can accept that you didn't see the thread had become active. The second prod after being a PR, and then the huge burst in activity while you're supposedly V/LA makes no sense to me. You do know what the V/LA is used for right? It's supposed to be when you won't have access to this site.

You also responded to a single point, which was the least damning of all of them. You even said earlier that it's important to get people to agree with you, and then it seems to me that you're arguing you're exempt from that because of your "subtlety". This isn't a tarot reading, this is a debate forum. Say what you mean or we will drill you for it. And at this point, I'm hoping for a hammer as well.

That's not good enough. A PR claim that goes no further leaves mafia a papertrail to justify a fakeclaim later. Full claim it.
Theory bit here - Docs and BPs should claim doc/bp because it WIFOMs mafia.

actually fuck that what am I thinking. don't full claim.

Not quite sure what to make of this either. Is it trying to give your partner advice? Is it legit theory discussion? Is it pressure on Enefpe?

[ironstove]

unlynch

[Enefpe no Time]

If you think mafia is about debating you are truly clueless

[Enefpe no Time]

And i was at l1

[Enefpe no Time]

Still am

[innocentvillager]

Guys please unvote Enefpe. We are looking elsewhere for our lynch.

I suggest karnos.

[innocentvillager]

I am inclined to believe Enefpe's PR claim, it looks frustrated newbtown.

I highly disagree with Enefpe's lackadaisical style of play and attacking the whole "debating" idea in mafia, but it sounds like it will just devolve into a useless theory discussion when we have 3 days left to lynch IMO, so I don't want people to respond to Enefpe on that for now. We can get to it D2 if it is necessary.

Let's focus on who is scum here.

I'm not seeing the towniness that people are getting from karnos.

@Transcend/soda

why is karnos town here?

[Transcend]

Dunno, guess i just always tr the guy.

Can you respond to what i said like you said you would?

[innocentvillager]

Anyways iv, two fold

1. Are you from EM? You've referred to me as "soda" aka the name I'm more well known by on that website as opposed to this one in several posts. If yes, who are you? If I know you I'll take account into any meta I may or may not have with you on that website to here and it might help your case.

2. The reason I'm tunneling you so hard is for 3 reasons.

a. Your instant, opportunistic push on karnos that doesn't look genuine.
b. Your tone when EnT said that he townread Skold. This seriously sounded like you were more upset that he TR'd him over you. Town shouldn't care if they're townread or not.
c. You have been flailing this entire day. Everything you say reeks of scum.

As for karnos, I've been fucked by him once, but for now I'm taking a gamble and marking him as light town but sleeping with one eye open. He's nowhere near as strong of a townread as say, IronStove, Joushi, Skold right now.

1) What if I told you I was pranay
2)

a) Are you referring to like my very first mostly-RVS vote on karnos? First of all, where is the scum-motivation for even minorly scumreading someone off of one post? Don't misrep it as a "push", it obviously wasn't. Second, I told you that it was very minor gut scumread. The "Let's wagon this scum" wording gave me a slightly tonal gut vibe that he was trying to appear minimalist, a bit fearless/confident, and distancing himself from scum, which is very common for somewhat new scum SE's. It obviously wasn't even enough for a null lean scumread, but I threw it out there because that thought popped in my mind.

b) Okay, this is maybe the sole point that I could see going for scum!me, but even so it is weak af. First of all, town definitely does care if they're townread or not, maybe not to the extent that scum is, but definitely is still a significant concern. If they get ML'd, town gets that much closer to losing, just as scum gets that much closer to losing if they get lynched. Second, I may have gotten a little bit annoyed when I saw him come in with a rude attitude towards the mod (I like Xalxe a lot, so that kind of ticked me off), give basically the opposite reads of what I got, agree with your post on "Hey everyone stop walling and be lazy like me", townread someone for absolutely no reason, and finally use terrible logic and try to assert it like he knew everything. Looking back, it was kind of an immature reaction tonal-wise and I should've been more patient with the new player. I was also suspicious that he scumread me for doing "a lot of talking and not a lot of words", while Skold's posts were literally just answering newbies questions. I at least did some scumhunting in the early game, and I didn't like that.

Rereading, it looks like most of his reads were tonal and gut, so it doesn't actually look like incongruent reasoning anymore. I think I was just really annoyed by his entrance.

c) lol

You mean like asking where the non-existent case is on me a few times

How flaily, why me fry me right?

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So Skold is town because ______ (fill in the blank!)

And karnos is town because _____ (hey... fill in the blank!)

[innocentvillager]

Dunno, guess i just always tr the guy.

Can you respond to what i said like you said you would?

Pedit: Yeah sorry I was getting on that, probably should've said something about that before I posted here.