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Post Post #1750 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2016 9:47 pm

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In post 1749, iraonavp wrote:I am not really sure about Dwlee, but I think he is probably town-aligned because why would a scum-aligned player paint themselves purple when they could paint themselves green? It seems like pointless WIFOM when there is a low chance that someone is painted.
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you *are* aware blue is the town color, correct? green and purple are equivalent in terms of what color means in this game.
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Post Post #1751 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2016 9:53 pm

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In post 1750, pieguyn wrote:
In post 1749, iraonavp wrote:I am not really sure about Dwlee, but I think he is probably town-aligned because why would a scum-aligned player paint themselves purple when they could paint themselves green? It seems like pointless WIFOM when there is a low chance that someone is painted.
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you *are* aware blue is the town color, correct? green and purple are equivalent in terms of what color means in this game.
I know, I just misspoke... I meant to say blue. It's not a scumslip, I said that I was blue before... I was also a bit confused that the color was blue in my role PM, it should be green for homogeneity honestly.
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Post Post #1752 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2016 9:55 pm

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in the last game, scum only had one shot of blue paint, and there is no way they would be given more blue paint in this iteration of the setup. they would not be able to paint both Nahdia and dwlee blue. hence, the theory that in a {Nahdia, dwlee} gamestate, their goal was to paint over dwlee's red color using a different non-blue color.
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Post Post #1753 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2016 9:57 pm

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Okay, that rules out what I said then.

I read his ISO and I think it is slightly scum-aligned.
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Post Post #1754 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2016 10:02 pm

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I could easily see {Nahdia, dwlee} planning that starting from N3 they'd just paint a bunch of people purple in order to obfuscate the location of the last scum color-wise. in that scenario, holy fuck me flipping dwlee earlier was just one of the most serendipitously unfortunate things for them imaginable.
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Post Post #1755 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2016 11:26 pm

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In post 1754, pieguyn wrote:I could easily see {Nahdia, dwlee} planning that starting from N3 they'd just paint a bunch of people purple in order to obfuscate the location of the last scum color-wise. in that scenario, holy fuck me flipping dwlee earlier was just one of the most serendipitously unfortunate things for them imaginable.
Yeah flipping dwlee was a great move for us. who would have thunk
Part of me is still very uneasy about putting nahdia down as scum. Hmm chaos needs to come here and say stuff
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Post Post #1756 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:03 am

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So yeah I thought about it and nahdia's entrance today sort of locks her as scum for me
I thought her vote to color flip me was weird. And when I asked her to explain, she said that she thinks it's unlikely my color has been tampered with. Which I still thought was weird bc why not flip dwlee first then?
But now after dwlee's flip, it all makes sense I suppose. Nahdia probably anticipated being lynched and was setting it up so i flip blue---> she gets lynched--->I get night killed and then youre left with dwlee who is regarded as conf town and everyone else remaining suspects eachother to some degree...town go after eachother's necks and dwlee coasts to win. Dwlee probably would have colored something smart next
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Post Post #1757 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:15 am

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Hey purple is my favorite color
I like
I prefer they, thanks :)
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Post Post #1758 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:16 am

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I wonder if I was painted purple cause someone knew it was my favorite color. I kinda hope so cause that would be so sweet c:
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Post Post #1759 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:19 am

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So something about nahdia being the best lynch?
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Post Post #1760 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:52 am

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VOTE: Something_Smart
In post 1474, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 1472, pieguyn wrote:
In post 1471, TellTaleHeart wrote:She has interactions with Aristophanes, specifically too many of them, that make me think they're not scumbuddies.

The blue flip doesn't hurt.
her interactions with Aris are actually something that I keep coming back to and questioning. on her side, I didn't see anything of note up until , which was the only time she actually talked about or implied any kind of read on Aris and then she never followed through on it. on Aris' side, there's , which I don't know if he would do this or not but that's actually exactly the kind of thing I like to do to my scum partners since the vast majority of people auto-assume scum won't hard town read each other.

can you point me to what I'm missing here?
My assessment is colored by what just happened in Queen Mafia when I was scum with Ari. If you have extra time, go count the number of meaningful interactions he has with me over the course of the game. If you don't have extra time, I'll go ahead and tell you it's zero.
I went back over's Ari's ISO, and he doesn't talk to or mention at all 2 players in the game: Spiff/S_S and TSQ/Katsuki. I'd bet money there's at least 1 scum out of the two.

Not sure how I feel about Dwlee flipping purple, but it's not a top priority for me at the moment.

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Post Post #1761 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2016 4:53 am

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VOTE: iraonavp

Because I'm bad at stuff like noticing replacements.
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Post Post #1762 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2016 5:59 am

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Good God irao
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Post Post #1763 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2016 8:52 am

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Looked through beeboy's ISO. He starts with a color vote for Ranger and then switches to UTL (Zulfy's slot). Hesitates a lot around confirming hiplop (Kraska's slot) because of suspicion of a godfather. Then switches to TSQ. In response to TSQ's , he replaces out. Then we have dwlee replacing in. The one thing this confirms for me is that Katsuki/dwlee definitely aren't a team but I wouldn't weigh the replace out as more alignment-indicative than the purple flip which I'll come to in a minute.
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Post Post #1764 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2016 8:57 am

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For Nahdia/dwlee to be that team, they would have had to use the blue paint on Nahdia N1, the red paint on Katsuki N2, and the purple paint on dwlee N3. The first part makes sense as they could see Nahdia being the more likely one to be flipped due to Aristo interactions so it's a no brainer to use up their blue shot there. I'm a little confused about why they would go for Katsuki here as opposed to just paint dwlee N2. Covering themselves first should be the top priority. The only way I could see it happening is if they expected that Katsuki would flip soon or that dwlee is unlikely to be flipped until late game.

Dwlee's last posts looking like caught scum trolling and Chaos completely ignoring the result does make me think that that's the team though.
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Post Post #1765 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2016 9:00 am

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Before the flip, I was pretty sure it was Chaos(Nahdia) and iraonavp(Smart) but Chaos's vote makes the most sense if he's trying to use earlier suspicion of Smart to detract attention there as opposed to just voting a buddy and letting town lynch dwlee.
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Post Post #1766 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2016 9:13 am

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In post 1764, Wingback wrote:I'm a little confused about why they would go for Katsuki here as opposed to just paint dwlee N2. Covering themselves first should be the top priority
Same and I was musing that early on after katsuki's flip. Especially since like...there was a pretty good chance the flip will land on pie :/ :/
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Post Post #1767 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2016 9:16 am

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I don't get why they didn't immediately cover themselves first...it didn't look like dwlee was getting flipped any time soon from a night 2 perspective *shrugs*
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Post Post #1768 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2016 9:24 am

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Katsuki/pie could have been easy mislynces regardless of color flips especially since rc was around at the time and constantly asking for them to be lynched. Scum didnt need to paint anyone red, town could have easily wrecked itself and nobody was even considering a scumdwlee scenario
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Post Post #1769 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2016 9:30 am

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If I was scum I would have left myself red. I mean I'd probably say this if I was scum but lol
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Post Post #1770 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2016 9:32 am

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In post 1767, kraska77 wrote:I don't get why they didn't immediately cover themselves first...it didn't look like dwlee was getting flipped any time soon from a night 2 perspective *shrugs*
Uh there was continuation to this post idk what happened. It didn't look like dwlee was getting flipped any time soon but the leading color flip wagons on day 3 (katsuki and pie) both would have continued being Wagoned even after a blue flip. They didn't have to waste red paint on either
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Post Post #1771 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2016 9:43 am

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Seriously don't get why they would waste red paint on katsuki when a pie color flip looked just as likely to happen on day 3
But whatever the way chaos and dwlee are acting confirms all of this
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Post Post #1772 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2016 9:44 am

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In post 1771, kraska77 wrote:Seriously don't get why they would waste red paint on katsuki when a pie color flip looked just as likely to happen on day 3
But whatever the way chaos and dwlee are acting confirms all of this
are u saying my reaction is fake
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Post Post #1773 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2016 8:25 pm

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In post 1764, Wingback wrote:Dwlee's last posts looking like caught scum trolling and Chaos completely ignoring the result does make me think that that's the team though.
uh, ya, this.

why am I still the only vote on CO?
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Post Post #1774 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2016 8:31 pm

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In post 1770, kraska77 wrote:Uh there was continuation to this post idk what happened. It didn't look like dwlee was getting flipped any time soon but the leading color flip wagons on day 3 (katsuki and pie) both would have continued being Wagoned even after a blue flip. They didn't have to waste red paint on either
the scum team was obviously planning on mislynching Katsuki, and on N2 it would have been trivial from their POV to preempt a Katsuki flip D3. it would have been theoretically possible to lynch him despite a blue flip, but realistically it probably would have went in similar vein to Nahdia D2: people still kinda stay suspicious of him but don't lynch him right at that point. the plan was to probably have him flip red, and then from there he gets lynched and that's all there is to it (and it would have worked if it weren't for me hard derailing the lynch).
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