Newbie 1730 - To The North (Game Over)

[Transcend]

I'm not dismissing Hark as hard town or even slight town. Moving him into null pool because I feel his fos on me was justified and it wasn't solid so he wanted to debate it with me.

He still had a few weird posts.

[Joushi]

He claimed PR, why would I lynch him? I don't think he's cop, but he could be a different PR. Unless someone CC's him? TBH, I kind of want him to hard claim because I still think enefpe is acting very scummy.

What is there to counterclaim? "Oh you're not PR, actually I'M PR". Not only is that dangerous to claim since it shows scum easy targets, but most setups include 2 PRs (depending on whether or not you consider BP a PR)

I'm not dismissing Hark as hard town or even slight town. Moving him into null pool because I feel his fos on me was justified and it wasn't solid so he wanted to debate it with me.

He still had a few weird posts.

I don't quite understand what is actually being said here. I think you're saying "I'm not reacting to the point where I think Hark is town, just don't think he's scum anymore". Is that correct?

Oy vey

Thank you for your contribution.

[Transcend]

Yes Joushi

[Harkonnen97]

I'm not sure how to react to this

[Transcend]

I have mood swings a lot. Just a lil thing about me.

So if anyone tries to tone read me, they're basically flipping a coin.

[Harkonnen97]

Both your and IV's change of read on me is kinda wierd, no?

Between my initial wall catch-up + reads post and now, there is little content I've made. Most of everything I have is in those two wall posts. After initially claiming to have fully read them, you scumread me, but now you claim that you have reread them? And you no longer scumread me?

Opposite thing with IV. Initially he doesn't scumread me, but now he does. This sudden change of reads could be more justified, if it was based on some of my more recent posts. But it isn't. It's purely based on my initial posts I think? So, I'm really not sure what triggered the sudden change of reads.

[Transcend]

Well I scumread you initially but mind you, this was at 9 in the morning and I hadn't slept yet.

You're actually not that bad, just made a FEW weird posts.

[Transcend]

But hey dude there's a chance that iv used my deathtunnel on you as ammo to get you lynched.

Hence why I turned my vote towards him again.

[Joushi]

It's a tasty little piece of cheese. Any scum want to hammer and collect it?

I'll trade town!Enefpe for a scum. It's a perfectly fair deal.

Here is a read for you. The above is a huge scum flag, setup so you can miss lynch IV without being blamed for the lynch and turn it into a miss lynch on Transcend the following day.

I also spent a little more time reading over Karnos' relatively low number of posts, and the first didn't really strike a chord with me until rereading the second one. This looks a lot to me like what Karnos was accusing Soula of doing in reverse.

"Only scum will hammer this, so anyone who is town now cannot hammer the lynch without getting lynched the next day."

It makes me think that Enefpe + Karnos team is a very real possibility.

[Transcend]

I don't see Enepfe + karnos but that's an interesting theory you have there.

[Harkonnen97]

No scum would have hammered a claimed PR and karnos should know this. If anything, newbtown is more likely to do it than newbscum. Karnos' vote on Enefpe does actually look a bit like a distancing play. And Day 1 is the most common time for scum to distance each other. If one of them flips scum, the other should be taken a look at. However, I still townread both of them for now.

[Transcend]

No scum would have hammered a claimed PR and karnos should know this. If anything, newbtown is more likely to do it than newbscum. Karnos' vote on Enefpe does actually look a bit like a distancing play. And Day 1 is the most common time for scum to distance each other. If one of them flips scum, the other should be taken a look at. However, I still townread both of them for now.

Incorrect. Scum do in fact sometimes sac themselves to get a powerful town asset lynched.

But this feels more like derp!karnos than scum!karnos

[Transcend]

ALTHOUGH I SAID THAT LAST TIME

AND

I

WAS

FUCKING

WRONG

pretty sure he's town this time though.

[Harkonnen97]

Incorrect. Scum do in fact sometimes sac themselves to get a powerful town asset lynched.

I suppose so. But why would they sacrifice one of them to lynch the PR claim, when they can just night kill him?

[Joushi]

Massive wall detailing a stronger Enefpe/Karnos scumteam

Spoiler:

Already dealt with my thoughts with 336, 339, and 186 in my last post

Besides that, I find his scum case towards Enefpe to be a bit weak, but this has already been addressed by others.

Incredibly soft defense, doesn't want to seem too close to Enefpe. Honestly, as early in the game as it was, IV's case on Enefpe seemed pretty good. Even Skold, who Enefpe randomly decided to townread, was sufficiently weirded out by it.

You know, I wouldn't even be sad if Enefpe was quick hammered. Refusing to get an avatar and just general douchebag posting style is almost deserving of a policy lynch. Almost.

But he might just be scum, so it's not a policy lynch.

You are going to look real bad for this comment when Enefpe flips red.

Comparing these two posts (which are back to back), it's an odd switch of tone from "idk he might be scum, I don't like the way he plays" to a decently hard accusation with the assertion that Enefpe is scum.

299 is Enefpe's first comment on Karnos at all, and it's fairly dismissive. Doesn't bring attention to Karnos at all. He proceeds to not mention Karnos whatsoever until we get to 347, where he says...

vote: karnos

Bargain priced lynch right here

and...

Just vote for what is outright scummy. Idk who to vote honestly. Karnos just seems easy.

With no further explanation.

253, 254, 255, 294, 359, 386 all strike me as pretty standard distancing posts. Lots of "interaction" with little to no actual content.

Pedit: Not quite as long as I thought it would be, just lots of post links I guess.

[Joushi]

pretty sure he's town this time though.

Is this a reference to a different game? Could we get a link?

[Harkonnen97]

I think he is talking about this game http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=67000

[Transcend]

Do you want the game where he was obvtown, or where he was scum and owned me

[Joushi]

Both?

[Skold]

Neither?

[karnos]

It's a tasty little piece of cheese. Any scum want to hammer and collect it?

I'll trade town!Enefpe for a scum. It's a perfectly fair deal.

Here is a read for you. The above is a huge scum flag, setup so you can miss lynch IV without being blamed for the lynch and turn it into a miss lynch on Transcend the following day.

I also spent a little more time reading over Karnos' relatively low number of posts, and the first didn't really strike a chord with me until rereading the second one. This looks a lot to me like what Karnos was accusing Soula of doing in reverse.

"Only scum will hammer this, so anyone who is town now cannot hammer the lynch without getting lynched the next day."

It makes me think that Enefpe + Karnos team is a very real possibility.

Nice try.

Town can still give reasoning, give intent, and hammer after sufficient time. Look at the context. I put enefpe at L-1, and some people freaked out because he previously claimed PR. I can only assume the freak out was because scum could quick hammer, so my post was in response to that possibility- I don't consider it a serious concern. Either scum quickhammers and we found scum, or they don't and there is no reason to panic about someone being at L-1.

[karnos]

Alternatively, if you think I am scum partners with Enefpe, please vote him and help me bus!

[Xalxe]

Vote Count 1.11

Pride goeth before the fall. Humbleness goeth before the fall. Everything goeth before the fall. We fall a lot.

Enefpe no Time (2)

: Joushi, karnos

Transcend (2)

: Harkonnen97, Skold

Harkkonnen97 (1)

: Enefpe no Time

karnos (1)

: innocentvillager

fiddlercrabontheroof (1)

: ironstove

innocentvillager (1)

: Transcend

Not Voting

: fiddlercrabontheroof

Deadline

: (expired on 2016-08-14 09:17:39)

fiddlercrabontheroof is being prodded.

@Xalxe, just a heads up the last vote count was incorrect, Stove unvoted Enefpe in 316

If that was an unvote, it was an extremely poor one.

[Enefpe no Time]

Look at trans pulling back and catching himself

Dat higher level of awareness

vote: karnos

Im sick and tired of you noobs regurgitating the meme that im acting scummy. im really not and never have. alot of what you think is scummy is not; youre like a group of paleolithic primates who come across an outsider primate and start throwing rocks at him because he is not apart of the group. QUIT BULLYING ME REEEE

[Enefpe no Time]

wait no

vote:joushi

"EXPLAIN WHY YOU MAKE JOKES. EXPLAIN THIS"