Kids TV Show Characters Mafia - Endgame

[Cheetory6]

Heh?

[Fox McCloud]

Well, for me, the biggest thing is that Ceph consistently tried to defend lurkers (way more than was logical), which makes me think that he's scum defending a lurking buddy, so there's a list of people, including KDowns who fits that bill.

as someone with a similar experience level to ceph, i can say that what he said about "lurking out the rvs" is accurate. anyone with a job (or something else going on in rl) will know why it's accurate.

And then the kicker. He said "Out of everyone here, I know KDowns the best, and this fits his character". That's a major red flag. He is essentially saying "Nobody here knows him except for me so you guys just have to trust me on this that he's not terrible".

uh... i mean... if he knows kdowns in a context outside mafia it would make sense for him to say that...?

[DiamondSentinel]

How often do you see scum do something like that to a scummate?

It's more common than you'd think. I did that the entire MGSV for PeregrineV (although there was a whole different point to it)

[Fox McCloud]

for ceph it seems like your case is "heres these things he did now heres the sinister motivation for them"

idk what your case on kdowns is independent of ceph... what is it?

[farside22]

Page 2: farside's saying "this is something my son watched" leaves me uneasy. It was a "crumb" about her flavor, even though nobody asked for it. I know it doesn't give much at all, but it still leaves me uneasy.

He watches about 20 cartoons, good luck with that knowledge.
Would you like a list?

[Cheetory6]

I mean.
If I have a friend in a game that I think is playing on the level based on how I expect them to play and I feel people are wagoning them for unfair reasons, I would defend them?
I've done that a lot with Aristophanes.

[camntsuki]

Got prodded during my vla!

Also just looking at grib's 593 he can hang for that

[DiamondSentinel]

Well, for me, the biggest thing is that Ceph consistently tried to defend lurkers (way more than was logical), which makes me think that he's scum defending a lurking buddy, so there's a list of people, including KDowns who fits that bill.

as someone with a similar experience level to ceph, i can say that what he said about "lurking out the rvs" is accurate. anyone with a job (or something else going on in rl) will know why it's accurate.

And then the kicker. He said "Out of everyone here, I know KDowns the best, and this fits his character". That's a major red flag. He is essentially saying "Nobody here knows him except for me so you guys just have to trust me on this that he's not terrible".

uh... i mean... if he knows kdowns in a context outside mafia it would make sense for him to say that...?

1. I understand that people have a life outside of mafia. I wasn't sure if I'd be able to post because I just started going to University, but I've had a lot more time than I first suspected. But I digress.
2. I don't have a problem with the premise. It's the way he said it. "Sheep me because I know him" is the implied sentiment.

PEdit: That's partially true, but the thing is that this motivation is more likely than benevolence. Cephrir's playstyle this far has shown that when he does step in, he likes to be in control of things (shown by his wait-and-see policy)

Additionally, KDowns reminds me a lot of PV's play. "Let's do nothing worth noting so that I still have some activity, but it doesn't help at all"

PPEdit: @Farside It's not the statement itself that irks me. It's that it wasn't requested. I don't really care about your flavor.
@Cheetory You would defend them, but I know for a fact you'd give more reason than "I know them, so just sheep me". You'd give specific examples, and point out reasoning behind certain quirky behaviors.

[DiamondSentinel]

Got prodded during my vla!

Also just looking at grib's 593 he can hang for that

How does such a small post warrent rope?

He asked for you to articulate your thoughts, and then he expressed curiocity on a read you had.

[keyenpeydee]

Heh?

Here..

How often do you see scum do something like that to a scummate?

PEdit: Cheet, Scum slip? maybe?

[farside22]

also prob wouldnt vote ceph today. him having his hands clasped over his ass after luna said something about me and my meta i thought was kinda town (considering context of house of cards)
kdowns himself is pretty bland. i got a "maybe town?" off of what farside was calling his words words words post. hes been getting heat from questionable corners so theres that too

Kdowns hasn't said much since then.

[farside22]

I mean.
If I have a friend in a game that I think is playing on the level based on how I expect them to play and I feel people are wagoning them for unfair reasons, I would defend them?
I've done that a lot with Aristophanes.

Tbf in regards to cephrir comment about kdowns, I didn't see that as him defending him.
I don't exactly not play as who I am regardless of alignment.
I think cephrir was saying this is normal for kdowns.

[Cheetory6]

i) Work is a lot harder to balance with mafia than school in my experience.
ii) If kdowns was still lurking by like.. end of day, then I would understand the sentiment you have towards him, but this early in the phase when he's made it pretty clear he's busy just makes this seem a little unreasonable and goes back to what Anti's trying to get at.
iii) I'm pretty sure there's been times where I haven't elaborated on things in the same situation but now we're getting into a weird conversation that's not really about the game anymore >.>. Basically I don't really think that it's scummy that Ceph doesn't give reasoning/overexplain himself there? I can maybe look to see if Ceph's activity this game has been opportunistic when I'm back from lunch, but as far as I can recall his engagement has seemed pretty reasonable/organic?

Cheet, Scum slip? maybe?

I don't really understand how it would be a slip in that context.. a slip implies that it's like an accidental reveal of something where this would have to be a very intentional move by Ceph?

P-Edit: I mean, that's defending him to some extent at least though >.>

[Cheetory6]

Hey guys, I'm reading this and I'll answer the questions for me tomorrow. I just got home from work and my internet router died. And I can't really stand phone posting. Just giving a mini update.

V/la until the 18th

Will be bringing my laptop to work and hopefully be able to make a big post.

Him not doing much given these circumstances is pretty understandable. Lol.

[Cephrir]

VOTE: waco kid

no

Why so sure?

k fine

VOTE: Waco Kid

Are you a jester? This is the kind of post a Jester would make.

Also your catchup helps us learn precisely nil about your thought process and how you arrived at the reads you have. Your keyen read is incredibly fencesitty.

I think their keyen read makes perfect sense, whether you agree with it or not is up to you.

You know, last time someone refused to engage with me because I was "[conf]scum," they turned out to be scum.

SS, camntsuki, maaaybe hiplop. Depending on Day 2.

You know, correlation (which this isn't even really) does not imply causation

1. Grib, part of the reason I don't explain myself is that I can't. My train of thought doesn't articulate very well. (Additionally, it's a case by case basis. At this point, the only thing I can explain that I remember is that I had a darn good reason for thinking that they are scum, so they stay scum for me, but I can't exactly remember why)

3. I can't tell if Camnsuki is being obtuse/ridiculous or scum. So he stays at null!scum.

That slot is not even in the top 5 most obtuse posters in this thread. What are you talking about?

4. Yeah, no way. Every game will have, if not a miller, than an ascetic. Unless this has very few power roles. That would be understandable. And if we get no claims by tomorrow, then that would be the analysis I make about the theme.

Bzzzzzzt, no, absolutely not.

Do you reeeeally need me to go pull some games for you of which this is not true (I wouldn't have to look very hard...) or do you already know this is not true in any way.

Page 3-4: Cheetory keeps clinging to minor things. This would typically strike me as "scum-like" but this is definitely Cheetory's personality. So, food for thought.

yeah that's not scummy

Cephrir said something that I don't know who it was directed at.

I'm not sure if you're both pretty genuine or pretty severely nervous.

Something pings me about this.

You and Grib.

Oh Christ, already a massive wall of text by Magna that does nothing but attack me. Make that a scum read.

Page 6: Oh, wow. Keyen getting defensive because people said he was a newbie. That's not looking good.

This is a surprise to you? He's done it like ten times.

134 - Fox: A very astute observation. Although it's almost

too

astute, Luna.

Ok, KDowns, I know this is a long shot, because you never seem to post anymore, but I want you to read Cyberpunk Mafia and Machina Mafia. I don't care your opinions about meta, just do it. (and if you want comparison for scum games, look at SaGa Frontier and/or Metal Gear Solid V). Your statement annoys me to no end when you said "he wants claims and actions before he'll start scumhunting". Well, yes. That's how I scum hunt. Words and statements are up to interpretation, but actions and claims are black and white. The only thing left to sort out is the plausibility for each one, and then its reasoning.

Oh look it's another task that kdowns obviously won't bother with.

I wouldn't either if I were him

Cephrir hsa said nothing except one thing that really really pings me.

The game started yesterday it's not even possible to be lurking

Looks like he's trying to defend a scumbuddy who hasn't posted yet. I'll have to look into that later.
Ok yeah Cephrir is definitely trying to defend a lurkbuddy.

Yep, that's it! You got me! Damn, see you all next game.

like... is it a new thing to say something completely untrue after "literally"?

New? People have been doing that for years, unfortunately

Page 13-15: Getting a really really strong scumteam with Cephrir and KDowns. Unimaginably strong.

No I think I can imagine, it won't be the first time I've had this experience believe me I love being tunnelled by stupid, it's what keeps me going

• Keyen hopped off soon after, so that's cool.
  
• Got Cephrir and KDowns, which is a pretty solid scumteam
  
• Medical Junkies and MoI, who are both playing substandardly
  
• And finally Imperium, who hasn't posted for ages.

A fine wagon to have.

Wait you're actually looking for scum on your wagon like moi suggested

my god that is too funny

Oh boy! Cephrir played the "lalala I can't hear you" card already. Yeah, he deserves a wagon. VOTE: Cephrir

Referring to this one, btw.

@Grib: OK, what did you like about him then?

@DS: I'm giving you an @ just to let you know that I see your posts and I don't care about them.

Your post was too dumb to earn a response. I didn't see the point in going back and forth about it and cluttering up the thread with, well, <I'm gonna delete the rest of this sentence in the interest of not being a dick.>

Well, for me, the biggest thing is that Ceph consistently tried to defend lurkers (way more than was logical), which makes me think that he's scum defending a lurking buddy, so there's a list of people, including KDowns who fits that bill.

There is a difference between defending lurkers and pointing out that lurking is not a particularly scummy trait unless there are situational reasons or it's accompanied by posting elsewhere on the site. I will always shoot down bad attacks. Get used to it because <I'm gonna delete the rest of this sentence in the interest of not being a dick.>

I'm gonna delete the rest of this sentence in the interest of not being a dick.And then the kicker. He said "Out of everyone here, I know KDowns the best, and this fits his character". That's a major red flag. He is essentially saying "Nobody here knows him except for me so you guys just have to trust me on this that he's not terrible".

I mean okay if anyone else here wants to speak up and say they've had meaningful interactions with kdowns then by all means do so. Why would I say this if it weren't true.

[DiamondSentinel]

i) Work is a lot harder to balance with mafia than school in my experience.
ii) If kdowns was still lurking by like.. end of day, then I would understand the sentiment you have towards him, but this early in the phase when he's made it pretty clear he's busy just makes this seem a little unreasonable and goes back to what Anti's trying to get at.
iii) I'm pretty sure there's been times where I haven't elaborated on things in the same situation but now we're getting into a weird conversation that's not really about the game anymore >.>. Basically I don't really think that it's scummy that Ceph doesn't give reasoning/overexplain himself there? I can maybe look to see if Ceph's activity this game has been opportunistic when I'm back from lunch, but as far as I can recall his engagement has seemed pretty reasonable/organic?

Cheet, Scum slip? maybe?

I don't really understand how it would be a slip in that context.. a slip implies that it's like an accidental reveal of something where this would have to be a very intentional move by Ceph?

P-Edit: I mean, that's defending him to some extent at least though >.>

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Please never EVER use organic like that again. I just had Arrow S4 flashbacks.

[Cephrir]

2. I don't have a problem with the premise. It's the way he said it. "Sheep me because I know him" is the implied sentiment.

ok i'll not try to help in the future

[keyenpeydee]

I think cephrir was saying this is normal for kdowns.

But he was acting scummy. So what we'll do is exclude the fact that he is a scum because it's normal for him to act this way. Come on.

Who's anti btw? Is it rihanna?

[Cephrir]

VOTE: waco kid

no

Why so sure?

k fine

VOTE: Waco Kid

Are you a jester? This is the kind of post a Jester would make.

Also your catchup helps us learn precisely nil about your thought process and how you arrived at the reads you have. Your keyen read is incredibly fencesitty.

I think their keyen read makes perfect sense, whether you agree with it or not is up to you.

You know, last time someone refused to engage with me because I was "[conf]scum," they turned out to be scum.

SS, camntsuki, maaaybe hiplop. Depending on Day 2.

You know, correlation (which this isn't even really) does not imply causation

1. Grib, part of the reason I don't explain myself is that I can't. My train of thought doesn't articulate very well. (Additionally, it's a case by case basis. At this point, the only thing I can explain that I remember is that I had a darn good reason for thinking that they are scum, so they stay scum for me, but I can't exactly remember why)

3. I can't tell if Camnsuki is being obtuse/ridiculous or scum. So he stays at null!scum.

That slot is not even in the top 5 most obtuse posters in this thread. What are you talking about?

4. Yeah, no way. Every game will have, if not a miller, than an ascetic. Unless this has very few power roles. That would be understandable. And if we get no claims by tomorrow, then that would be the analysis I make about the theme.

Bzzzzzzt, no, absolutely not.

Do you reeeeally need me to go pull some games for you of which this is not true (I wouldn't have to look very hard...) or do you already know this is not true in any way.

Page 3-4: Cheetory keeps clinging to minor things. This would typically strike me as "scum-like" but this is definitely Cheetory's personality. So, food for thought.

yeah that's not scummy

Cephrir said something that I don't know who it was directed at.

I'm not sure if you're both pretty genuine or pretty severely nervous.

Something pings me about this.

You and Grib.

Oh Christ, already a massive wall of text by Magna that does nothing but attack me. Make that a scum read.

Page 6: Oh, wow. Keyen getting defensive because people said he was a newbie. That's not looking good.

This is a surprise to you? He's done it like ten times.

134 - Fox: A very astute observation. Although it's almost

too

astute, Luna.

Ok, KDowns, I know this is a long shot, because you never seem to post anymore, but I want you to read Cyberpunk Mafia and Machina Mafia. I don't care your opinions about meta, just do it. (and if you want comparison for scum games, look at SaGa Frontier and/or Metal Gear Solid V). Your statement annoys me to no end when you said "he wants claims and actions before he'll start scumhunting". Well, yes. That's how I scum hunt. Words and statements are up to interpretation, but actions and claims are black and white. The only thing left to sort out is the plausibility for each one, and then its reasoning.

Oh look it's another task that kdowns obviously won't bother with.

I wouldn't either if I were him

Cephrir hsa said nothing except one thing that really really pings me.

The game started yesterday it's not even possible to be lurking

Looks like he's trying to defend a scumbuddy who hasn't posted yet. I'll have to look into that later.
Ok yeah Cephrir is definitely trying to defend a lurkbuddy.

Yep, that's it! You got me! Damn, see you all next game.

like... is it a new thing to say something completely untrue after "literally"?

New? People have been doing that for years, unfortunately

Page 13-15: Getting a really really strong scumteam with Cephrir and KDowns. Unimaginably strong.

No I think I can imagine, it won't be the first time I've had this experience believe me I love being tunnelled by stupid, it's what keeps me going

• Keyen hopped off soon after, so that's cool.
  
• Got Cephrir and KDowns, which is a pretty solid scumteam
  
• Medical Junkies and MoI, who are both playing substandardly
  
• And finally Imperium, who hasn't posted for ages.

A fine wagon to have.

Wait you're actually looking for scum on your wagon like moi suggested

my god that is too funny

Oh boy! Cephrir played the "lalala I can't hear you" card already. Yeah, he deserves a wagon. VOTE: Cephrir

Referring to this one, btw.

@Grib: OK, what did you like about him then?

@DS: I'm giving you an @ just to let you know that I see your posts and I don't care about them.

Your post was too dumb to earn a response. I didn't see the point in going back and forth about it and cluttering up the thread with, well, <I'm gonna delete the rest of this sentence in the interest of not being a dick.>

Well, for me, the biggest thing is that Ceph consistently tried to defend lurkers (way more than was logical), which makes me think that he's scum defending a lurking buddy, so there's a list of people, including KDowns who fits that bill.

There is a difference between defending lurkers and pointing out that lurking is not a particularly scummy trait unless there are situational reasons or it's accompanied by posting elsewhere on the site. I will always shoot down bad attacks. Get used to it because <I'm gonna delete the rest of this sentence in the interest of not being a dick.>

I'm gonna delete the rest of this sentence in the interest of not being a dick.

And then the kicker. He said "Out of everyone here, I know KDowns the best, and this fits his character". That's a major red flag. He is essentially saying "Nobody here knows him except for me so you guys just have to trust me on this that he's not terrible".

I mean okay if anyone else here wants to speak up and say they've had meaningful interactions with kdowns then by all means do so. Why would I say this if it weren't true.[/quote]

[Cephrir]

I think cephrir was saying this is normal for kdowns.

But he was acting scummy. So what we'll do is exclude the fact that he is a scum because it's normal for him to act this way. Come on.

Who's anti btw? Is it rihanna?

Dear lord.

I was saying I didn't think the specific critiques being made were a good reason to suspect him because they were critiques of his personality basically.

I wish I'd just let whoever it was be wrong.

[Cephrir]

also quote tags are basically impossible and there is nothing anyone could possibly do about it

[DiamondSentinel]

Cephrir, answer me this. Why would you bother defending him when the only pressure on him (if you could call it that) was that people said that he wasn't posting anything worthwihle (Which he wasn't)

[keyenpeydee]

I think cephrir was saying this is normal for kdowns.

But he was acting scummy. So what we'll do is exclude the fact that he is a scum because it's normal for him to act this way. Come on.

Who's anti btw? Is it rihanna?

Dear lord.

I was saying I didn't think the specific critiques being made were a good reason to suspect him because they were critiques of his personality basically.

I wish I'd just let whoever it was be wrong.

Finee

[keyenpeydee]

I think cephrir was saying this is normal for kdowns.

But he was acting scummy. So what we'll do is exclude the fact that he is a scum because it's normal for him to act this way. Come on.

Who's anti btw? Is it rihanna?

Dear lord.

I was saying I didn't think the specific critiques being made were a good reason to suspect him because they were critiques of his personality basically.

I wish I'd just let whoever it was be wrong.

Finee

Oh shit wrong emoji.

[Cephrir]

Cephrir, answer me this. Why would you bother defending him when the only pressure on him (if you could call it that) was that people said that he wasn't posting anything worthwihle (Which he wasn't)

Why would I do that if he was my scumbuddy? I was letting whoever it was know that I didn't agree with their line of thought and maybe they should rethink it instead of wasting more time on the same direction. I would say I've learned my lesson, but I'm stupid and will probably do it again in the future