Open 646 - Semi Nightless - Game Over (D6)

[Thor665]

Looking at the Rosske/Karnos interaction - he functionally called him out for attacking me while not voting me.
I don't really see that as likely scum/scum. *maaaaaaaybe* it was a signal to vote move, but I actually would submit that signals to vote move basically never happen on Day 1 - feel free to prove me wrong by showing it ever happening on Day 1 in any game.

[Luna Fox]

...
There's something I want to say but i'll wait until every living player has posted first.

[Transcend]

Gun in mouth

[Rosske]

VOTE: Transcend


Everything you post makes me more confident about this

[mhsmith0]

I'm a bit busy right now will check in tonight.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Sorry, difficulties in getting internet access. I'll support Tenshii and Rosske lynches mostly, but I want to know what Luna has to say?

[mhsmith0]

VCA coloring fixed

Decent non-info kill option from scum.

VC Day 1 - 3

karnos

L-3 -

Io

, Thor665, gigabyte
Thor665 L-3 -

Killthestory

, Transcend, Rosske

Io

L-5 -

karnos

VC Day 1 - 4

karnos

L-2 -

Io

, Thor665,

PhantomCobalt

, gigabyte
Thor665 L-3 -

Killthestory

, Transcend, Rosske

Killthestory

L-5 - kcdaspot

VC Day 1 - 5

karnos

L-3 -

Io

, Thor665, gigabyte

PhantomCobalt

L-4 - Luna Fox, Tenshii

Io

L-4 -

karnos

,

Killthestory

VC Day 1 - 5

karnos

L-3 -

Io

, Thor665, gigabyte

PhantomCobalt

L-4 - Luna Fox, Tenshii

Io

L-4 -

karnos

,

Killthestory

Luna Fox L-5 - Transcend
Thor665 L-5 - Rosske

Killthestory

L-5 - Kcdaspot
Transcend L-5 -

PhantomCobalt

VC Day 1 - 9

karnos

Lynched - Luna Fox,

Io

, Thor665, gigabyte, mhsmith0,

Killthestory

PhantomCobalt

L-5 - Tenshii

Io

L-4 -

karnos

, Rosske
Transcend L-5 -

PhantomCobalt

Luna Fox L-5 - Transcend

VC Day 2 - 3

PhantomCobalt

L-5 -

Io

Luna Fox L-5 -

PhantomCobalt

Killthestory

L-1 - gigabyte, Luna Fox, Thor665, mhsmith0, Tenshii
Transcend L-4 -

Killthestory

, Rosske
gigabyteTroubadour L-5 - Transcend

PhantomCobalt

L-5 -

Io

VC Day 3 - 2

PhantomCobalt

Lynched -

Io

, Tenshii, Luna Fox, gigabyteTroubadour, Thor665
Rosske L-4 - Transcend
Transcend L-4 - Rosske

It's still really weird I think that karnos never bothered making a meaningful survival move onto a different wagon, like Thor or PC, when there was reasonable chance to justify it. I guess he was trying to imitate townie stubbornness but it really didn't work.

It's also pretty annoying that we don't get VC's in order of voting, so it's kinda hard to unpack that way. I may try and pull one together that orders votes, but probably not ASAP.

[Transcend]

Or we could just lynch Rosske and not waste all this fucking effort

[Tenshii]

It's getting late so I'm gonna get off. Gonna post the thoughts I have in my head atm, mainly for myself, but mainly cuz I feel obligated to post something. I don't have anything complete atm tho.

1) Thor's case on me is ass. I'll direct reply to it when I have time but I'm getting off. I'm not dodging it, just postponing.

2) Karnos + Rosske ...

Order of Events:

Karnos votes Io.
Rosske votes Thor
Rosske votes KTS
Rosske asks Karnos why he's not voting Thor.

Why doesn't Karnos vote Thor? It's really weird how Karnos tried to indirect attack Thor but when given the opportunity to bandwagon Thor, he doesn't take it. My main problem with the whole Rosske case is if Rosske is trying to support Karnos scum partner here, he should just be voting Io immediately instead of Thor. I don't get why Rosske would try to redirect momentum towards Thor when there was momentum towards Io. Unless there wasn't momentum there in the first place?? But if there wasn't momentum then Karnos should've bandwagoned along with Rosske's vote on Thor.

3) Karnos + Thor ... I was rereading and stuff. There was one post where Karnos defended himself with "me and Thor can't be bussing" therefore they aren't town. Not sure how viable of a scumteam this is yet. I'll need to think about it more. If this is the team then does it make sense for Karnos to not vote Thor when town!Rosske voted Thor? But then there's the whole indirect attack thing.

Giga + Luna for town.

Re-evaluating Transcend + mh

Also I got pretty apathetic rereading through all of that again. I quitted like 20 pages in, and I skipped all of the walls to get there. I'll probably eventually have to force myself to reread through everything though.

[Luna Fox]

Ok now i can finally say what i was going to say.

[Transcend]

alternatively: youcould just

not read the game at all

and just lynch rosske

[Luna Fox]

So... the thing is.
I went to sleep after the hammer had happened while Tenshii and Thor were arguing.
When I woke up the mafia had already made a NK...
Like if this can happen then it's fairly obvious that people could become conf town or conf scum based on online times alone. Unfortunately I already looked up into that, and if I was able to do that others might have been able to, i probably shouldn't have.
I don't like to play like i am cheating, so i just can't continue playing, I hope the mod learns something from this =/

The reason i wanted to wait for everyone to post first is so that others wouldn't use this if they didnt think of using it before, so no more people have their games ruined.

@mod: I'm replacing out.

[mhsmith0]

I suppose that's possible, but it's also possible that someone just PM'd the mod before EOD (and maybe before hammer) with the NK order. I suppose that's not likely, but it's not impossible. If the mod outed someone in that way, then the game is kinda broken tbh.

[Transcend]

i'm gonna go ahead and say luna fox is conf town for this

holy moly if i'm wrong though and i was right all this time lol

[mhsmith0]

That's the kind of replace out that if a strategic wolf replace out is pretty much disgusting. Never voting for that slot this game.

[Transcend]

I'm not exactly saying that LF's replace was tactical because it looks very genuine

But what's the actual point of tactically replacing out? Pretty sure that in this game http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=66955 Postie/Smithereens had no part in the W and Vedith got the scum W even though he got flashlynched when he subbed in.

Like you don't even win if you sub out?!?!?!?!

[tojam2]

VC Day 4 - 1

Transcend L-3 - Rosske
Rosske L-3 - Transcend
Tenshii L-3 - Thor665

@Luna Fox: Replacement acknowledged. I however count time reads as against the rules as you're using information outside of this thread (outside communication).

(expired on 2016-08-29 09:30:00)

[Thor665]

VOTE: Transcend


Everything you post makes me more confident about this

I am not a fan of that vote at all - what's the Transcend case? There isn't one beyond you getting miffy that he posts kinda like a jerk.
Don't vote jerks.
Vote scum.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

will post soon, used up all my phone battery for another game

[gigabyteTroubadour]

VOTE: Rosske
I feel better about the case against him than Tenshii still, but I'll happily vote either.

[mhsmith0]

I'm not supporting a rosske lynch today without a very solid case. Io was killed out of turn, and she was defending him, so I'd say nk motive alone gives him a decent clear unless you think he's ballsy enough as last wolf to kill allies at a time when he was likely to be under fire.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

That's... true. I suppose.

What do you think of Tenshii?

[mhsmith0]

I'm suspicious. Would have liked kts to spell out why he's obv!town. I plan to re-read things over the next few days. Sorry for being a bit of a slowing things downer.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

no that's fine
i feel dumb for thinking we can powerlynch everyone outside of the townbloc we "made", nothing wrong with some discussion

[mhsmith0]

We 100% can't powerlynch down the line. Too easy to lose the game if there's a wolf in the bloc. Every day should be a re-think based on flip and night actions. And io getting shot instead of Thor happened for a reason. The reason might be that it's Thor, but I struggle to see that as the answer. Which makes me think it was either done to continue us down the path to a lazy lynch of rosske, or something else was going on. And I'm not sure what that "something else" could be.