Open 646 - Semi Nightless - Game Over (D6)

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Tenshii benefits the most from Io > Thor imo, killing Thor would have been too high info and draw attention to him.

hmm

VOTE: Tenshii

[Transcend]

VOTE

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ROSSKE

[gigabyteTroubadour]

IDK MAN

LET'S WAIT FOR THE LUNA REPLACEMENT

why does rosske pick thor over io btw, because Thor is busy with Tenshii?? hmm

UNVOTE:

the nk works for anyone really -___-

[Transcend]

Tenshii's been solid town for me all game, I don't think I'll see myself voting that slot. I even re-iso'd and concluded the same thing.

We're lynching Rosske.

Point blank.

[mhsmith0]

Case it and sell it then. I'm currently opposed.

[Transcend]

fuck that shit

you can just let obvious scum escape another lynch like you did yesterday

[mhsmith0]

fuck that shit

you can just let obvious scum escape another lynch like you did yesterday

If you don't care enough to case and sell the lynch, why should I care about you shouting to lynch this guy?

[Transcend]

you can't fuck me hard enough to go through his cancerous obvtown iso and quote a bunch of posts i think are town.

so just no.

either trust me or don't.

if you don't i don't give two shits.

[mhsmith0]

I said case/sell the rosske lynch. And no I don't trust you. If you want to build trust, case and sell the lynch you want. Or just continue to do this and probably be ignored.

[Transcend]

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I HAVE DONE IT SEVERAL TIMES ***HOLE

[mhsmith0]

Well the work on the others. I'm not currently sold. Sorry.

[Tenshii]

Dude, I'm cancer? That's hurts. I'm sorry I suck but damn dude.

I just logged in. Gonna finish what I had going but I had to post that.

[Transcend]

no one ever said i was a nice person

[Tenshii]

Like what did I do that was cancerous to you?

[Transcend]

the style of your posts and your tone annoys me

[Tenshii]

Can you be more specific please?

[Transcend]

no

[Tenshii]

@Thor. Your case on me is Distance, Not trying enough, Town Energy, Karnos Defense, Me scumreading Phantom, Me only defending myself against you.

Distance - What the fuck do you mean by me being distant? You're saying that because they reconsidered their read, that means they are distant. But that still doesn't make sense to me. That's just them reconsidering their read.
Not trying enough - Again, I feel that I've tried plenty hard enough, especially given how people have been responding to me.
Town Energy - I'm pretty sure this is how I got townread in the first place the more I think about it.
Karnos Defense - Your only reason on this being bad is because of his flip. At the time when I defended him, people agreed with me to an extent. Luna was the prime example.
Me scumreading Phantom - My logic was can't be town therefore scum. And I'm pretty sure I was not the only person who scumread him. You can't tell me that everyone who voted him just wanted to pure policy it.
Me only defending myself against you - At the time, I was 100% prioritizing the Phantom lynch. Fmpov, it doesn't make sense to push anyone else if I want a Phantom lynch.

[Tenshii]

Ugh, I can't even think straight after hearing that. I'll finish my Rosske thoughts some other time. Transcend, fwiw, I really want to know how I'm being cancerous to you so I can stop it. I didn't want to be a nuisance to anybody and if I did I'm sorry. And assuming I am, then I would really like to know how to stop being a nuisance. Aka, what to change about the style of my posts and my tone.

[Tenshii]

On the Rosske case,

Rosske voted Thor practically the exact same way Transcend voted Thor. Also Transcend voted the post right after Rosske's vote. Also Rosske asked Karnos to vote while Rosske had his vote on KTS. So I don't really think that could be a vote signal. mh kinda brings up a point of how Karnos was being pretty stubborn. I think the only real case you could paint on Rosske is that he's bangwagony but I can kinda see where he's coming from.

karnos L-3 - Io, Thor665, gigabyte
Thor665 L-3 - Killthestory, Transcend, Rosske [The real vote order was KTS, Rosske 2nd, then Transcend 3rd]
Io L-5 - karnos

I think Rosske was pretty justified in asking why Karnos didn't switch to his 2nd fos of Thor. The Io bw was getting nowhere and his Thor fos was. Karnos could've put Thor at L-2, but chose not to for whatever reason. I want to say that Karnos was scared of putting Thor at L-2? So why? This is kinda the bus aspect I was talking about.

The above logic depends on Thor being town as well. Scum Thor could be sheeping a supposed town, in which case that would make it much less likely I am scum.

Unless you think Thor & I are the sort of players who would bus each other day 1.

And this response totally would make sense if they were a team. Karnos's reponse to Io was very unstraightforward, and then he goes on a rant on why bussing shouldn't be a possibility. So the main problem I have with what I have now is why did Karnos indirect attack Thor in the first place if Karnos didn't plan on bussing?

1) Karnos + Thor: Given the gamestate, if Thor gets lynched, Karnos would be one of the inevitable lynches because Io existed. But when Karnos did the indirect attack, Karnos was clean and had potential to ride it out solo.
2) Karnos + Rosske: Doesn't want to hop onto a bandwagon with partner
3) Karnos + Transcend: Doesn't want to hop onto a bandwagon with partner
4) Karnos + Anybody else: Then this is literally the whole stubborn townie act mh brought up, but I do think Karnos could've gotten away with going onto Thor given how argumentative they were being, so I don't see this being a strong possibility.

[Tenshii]

On Io being nightkilled,

I'm not really a fan of analyzing nightkills because it's pretty wifomy. But fwiw, I do think the Io kill made sense. Io was a strong consensus townread. Also this might have been a nightkill signal? He is dead at this point, so anything he says at this point is either to manipulate town or to help his partner. So it kinda would make sense.

I seem to have a talent for getting hammered on weekends while I'm away from my computer, second game in a row where this happened.

GL town. Make sure you lynch Io for me tomorrow.

On Thor being a nightkill possibility,

Hypothetically I'm scum, and I nightkill Thor because he's tunneling on me. Therefore, I'm in a pretty bad spot correct?
Hypothetically I'm town, and scum nightkills Thor because he's tunneling on me. Therefore, I should be in a pretty bad spot? Not necessarily. I mean yea, I can see how there's strong potential for me to nightkill Thor here but there's also strong potential for me being framed. Which is why I'm against nightkill analysis in the first place because it's so wifomy.

[Tenshii]

Will pick up later

[mhsmith0]

Night kill analysis is wifomy to some degree, sure. But io, while always likely to be an NK, was not especially likely to be the FIRST NK. Thor was. His interactions w karnos made him very unlikely to be a partner and got him a widespread town read, and Thor was an active, engaged player who has a lot of experience and as far as I can tell a strong reputation for competence. So for Thor NOT to be the first one dead is weird; just generic spk means he's dead there a solid majority of the time.

This means that the last goon actively chose "not Thor" for a reason. It could be because the goon was a newbie and/or didn't think through night orders, it could be in order to achieve something specific (like an easier lynch of rosske as a plausible example), it could be because Thor is the last goon (though it still seems unlikely), etc. and because it's a decision that we know the last goon made, it's something that we should at least be thinking about.

[Thor665]

@Thor. Your case on me is Distance, Not trying enough, Town Energy, Karnos Defense, Me scumreading Phantom, Me only defending myself against you.

Yes.

Distance - What the Smurf do you mean by me being distant? You're saying that because they reconsidered their read, that means they are distant. But that still doesn't make sense to me. That's just them reconsidering their read.

You are distant because you don't really get involved in anything. I've said this before. You've spent most of the game wanting to lynch a lurker for lurking - that was your big push. The only times you seem to have become involved are to defend Karnos and to defend yourself.

Not trying enough - Again, I feel that I've tried plenty hard enough, especially given how people have been responding to me.

People aren't responding to you because you're distant.
Are people responding to me? Yes? What magical power do I have that you lack?
Oh, and when people don't respond to me I keep asking - if you're town, it's your job to get an answer, asking once and going 'oh well' is not a valid excuse.

Town Energy - I'm pretty sure this is how I got townread in the first place the more I think about it.

If you say so, clearly it ran out except for Transcend.

Karnos Defense - Your only reason on this being bad is because of his flip. At the time when I defended him, people agreed with me to an extent. Luna was the prime example.

I agree that it is a scummy action due to the flip and not inherently.
Doesn't change that it's scummy.
Can you describe anyone else who went to the Karnos defense level that you did?
I also don't recall Luna particularly chiming in with support - if you think there's a case there feel free to present it.

Me scumreading Phantom - My logic was can't be town therefore scum. And I'm pretty sure I was not the only person who scumread him. You can't tell me that everyone who voted him just wanted to pure policy it.

Can you describe a case offered by anyone on the slot? I'll wait.
I'll agree I may have been the only one being honest in my reasoning, but that doesn't change the reality of the wagon.
Do you think scum didn't vote for PC?

Me only defending myself against you - At the time, I was 100% prioritizing the Phantom lynch. Fmpov, it doesn't make sense to push anyone else if I want a Phantom lynch.

And since then you've done...what exactly?

[tojam2]

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