Newbie 1730 - To The North (Game Over)

[Xalxe]

Vote Count 1.13

Your body is a temple. A temple of blood rituals and pagan tributes, a lost temple, a temple that needs more calcium. You should maybe try vitamin supplements.

fiddlercrabontheroof (5): ironstove, Harkonnen97, Transcend, Skold, innocentvillager

Enefpe no Time (2)

: Joushi, karnos

Joushi (1)

: Enefpe no Time

Not Voting

: fiddlercrabontheroof

Deadline

: (expired on 2016-08-14 09:17:39)

[Xalxe]

fiddlercrabontheroof,

Vanilla Townie

, Lynched Day 1

Night 1 begins now and will last for 72 hours, or (expired on 2016-08-17 08:16:15).

[Xalxe]

PenguinPower

replaces Harkonnen97. Deadline will not be affected.

[Xalxe]

Skold,

Vanilla Townie

, Killed Night 1

Day 1 begins now and will last for 14 days, or (expired on 2016-08-31 08:18:23).

[Transcend]

MAN WAS THAT GUY OBVIOUS TOWN

Hi PP

VOTE: innocentvillager
VOTE: innocentvillager
VOTE: innocentvillager
VOTE: innocentvillager
VOTE: innocentvillager
VOTE: innocentvillager
VOTE: innocentvillager
VOTE: innocentvillager
VOTE: innocentvillager

THIS.

NEEDS.

DEATH.

[Transcend]

EnT I'd probably hardclaim rn if i were you bud.

[karnos]

Oh hey PenguinPower!

[Transcend]

Pp give your read on karnos ASAP

I was wrong to not trust you last time.

[karnos]

That wasn't an easy day 1 lynch. Almost hit deadline.

Question is was innocentvillager scum desperate enough to see a lynch go through that he hammered, or was he just town hoping for a scum flip?

Question 2 is, who was scum on the wagon?

fiddlercrabontheroof

(5): ironstove, Harkonnen97, Transcend,

Skold

, innocentvillager

[karnos]

Do you think it's likely there was no scum on the wagon at all? Meaning both scum are among {karnos, Joushi, Enefpe no Time}?

I think the potential town cred of not being on the wagon is pretty much zero, while the gain to scum of getting an extra townie killed is rather significant, so my personal thinking is that scum were either already on the wagon or waiting and ready to hammer at the last minute.

[karnos]

MAN WAS THAT GUY OBVIOUS TOWN

Who? Skold, or fiddler?

[Transcend]

Irons town

Idk about hark

If there's any scum on the wagon it was iv, imo.

Pedit: who do you think, idiot.

Skold, of course.

[Transcend]

You expect me to think a slot that's had 3 different players with 5 limes across all accounts was obvious town?

[Transcend]

Lines*

[karnos]

I'll trust you for now. I think Transcend is probably town.

But I prefer this lynch over IV:

VOTE: Harkonnen97

[karnos]

innocentvillager might well be scum, but one thing nags at me, is he could havbe just held off and let me hammer. Or if I didn't hammer, he could have the perfect case to push me as scum today.

He didn't have to hammer himself, and if he was scum he would have known the inevitable town flip would make his hammer look a little scummy. Why take the heat for that if he could instead sit back and let me hammer? I'm not saying he is clearly town, but that action does push him down a bit on my scum ratings, and hark's iso looks very scum to me.

[karnos]

VOTE: PenguinPower

Oops. Penguin replaced into the scum slot, that sucks.

[innocentvillager]

I'm a bit confused by that nightkill

Like seriously under what premise was sold killed

I feel scum would have ironstove or enefpe lol

Maybe they could've thought he was PR??

Someone shed an ounce of light on this game plz

[ironstove]

Yea the skold kill doesn't make sense. I would think someone like the PR claim (enefpe) or the person who is being town read by other players (arguably me) would be the best target.

Not sure how you guys are town reading me, because in other games I sign, I always get lynched LOL. Dumb town telling? IDK. With that said, my win rate on EM is abysmal as mafia, it's like <20%

[PenguinPower]

Pp give your read on karnos ASAP

Not completely sure. It's hard for me to get a read on him when I haven't been directly interacting. Give me a bit.

I think the potential town cred of not being on the wagon is pretty much zero, while the gain to scum of getting an extra townie killed is rather significant, so my personal thinking is

that scum were either already on the wagon or waiting and ready to hammer at the last minute.

Or declaring an intent to hammer, letting someone else take care of that for them, and then saying "Oops, looks like someone else got there first."

He didn't have to hammer himself, and if he was scum he would have known the inevitable town flip would make his hammer look a little scummy. Why take the heat for that if he could instead sit back and let me hammer? I'm not saying he is clearly town, but that action does push him down a bit on my scum ratings, and hark's iso looks very scum to me.

With the looming deadline, need to lynch, and it being D1, I'm not sure why the "inevitable town flip" would have made him look scummy...from what I can tell there was little to no participation around deadline and the village was resigned to the lynch. At worst it would have been NAI. His statement about not wanting to risk someone (you) not hammering in time feels like a proactive defense, though...kinda unnecessary.

Hark's ISO does look bad. Can't argue with that.

Oops. Penguin replaced into the scum slot, that sucks.

Yeah...I don't really care for Hark's play style, but he was scum in my first newbie game and he didn't play this aggressively. What's your case?

p-edit

Should we not be townreading you? At this point, I don't, but that's only because I have 20 pages to catch up on and no direct interaction with you.

[Joushi]

Welcome Penguins! I wonder why Hark chose to replace out, too many games at once?

Question is was innocentvillager scum desperate enough to see a lynch go through that he hammered, or was he just town hoping for a scum flip?

Question 2 is, who was scum on the wagon?

fiddlercrabontheroof

(5): ironstove, Harkonnen97, Transcend,

Skold

, innocentvillager

Do you think it's likely there was no scum on the wagon at all? Meaning both scum are among {karnos, Joushi, Enefpe no Time}?

I think the potential town cred of not being on the wagon is pretty much zero, while the gain to scum of getting an extra townie killed is rather significant, so my personal thinking is that scum were either already on the wagon or waiting and ready to hammer at the last minute.

Not being on the wagon I agree doesn't mean much, since the votes all happened fairly quickly after each other. That said, looking at who wasn't on the wagon leads me to believe that we had a 1/1 split. Enefpe really hasn't done anything to make him look more town to me, and the fact that he wasn't NK'd is pretty surprising to me. Number one scumread in my book. My earlier post on the Enefpe/Karnos scumteam looks all kinds of confbias to me now so I doubt his partner would be you.

Enefpe/Stove? Doubt it
Enefpe/Hark? Maybe
Enefpe/Transcend? Likely
Enefpe/IV? Maybe

I feel scum would have ironstove or enefpe lol

Yea the skold kill doesn't make sense. I would think someone like the PR claim (enefpe) or the person who is being town read by other players (arguably me) would be the best target.

Not sure how you guys are town reading me, because in other games I sign, I always get lynched LOL. Dumb town telling? IDK. With that said, my win rate on EM is abysmal as mafia, it's like <20%

I feel like both of you are overlooking a pretty obvious explanation, Enefpe wouldn't kill himself. You're also always asking why we're townreading you and it's starting to seem a little weird. Pretty sure I said this before, but for my hardest townread, it's like you're trying to get us to scumread you.

[karnos]

Enefpe really hasn't done anything to make him look more town to me, and the fact that he wasn't NK'd is pretty surprising to me. Number one scumread in my book.

I really like this line of thinking. Like, he gave himself an out by not claiming a specific role, so like he might be bulletproof or something, but I think scum would have tested that and we wouldn't have seen a NK last night. That scum didn't even try to kill him is surprising.

[ironstove]

Is it possible that he is actually town (Whether or not he's PR is a different issue) but the scum decided to keep him alive in the hopes that we would lynch him because he looks like a suspect for not being dead?

[Joushi]

I mean a lot of things are POSSIBLE. I've already made my opinion on appeals to WIFOM known though, it generally hurts town because it assumes perfect play and just makes everything a coinflip when it really isn't

[Joushi]

Should probably put this out there

VOTE: Enefpe