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[Zyf]

UNVOTE: TierShift

VOTE: Transcend

VOTE: Xkfyu
People who revert to different language isn't a scumtell
People who follow scumtells that aren't actually scumtells are scum

Therefore you are scum

[Xkfyu]

Right

[Xkfyu]

Tell me another one.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Can we just pick 1 (Zyf and Transcend) and lynch 1 dear god put a gun to my head both of them are gonna flip scum

[Mimikyu]

Don't think that was a slip from Transcend.

What makes you sr zyf besides his BS iso?

He's making noise and he's voting for everyone. His votes, in order (first two are arguably RVS, but rest seem legit):
Transcend
Mimikyu
Gerryoat
Eagersnake
Saru
Snake/Vedith
Tiershift
Mimikyu
Xkfyu

I've never heard people call the scum team wolves, but whatever

FWIW, the majority of my "mafia" experience is playing IRL Werewolf.

Don't think that was a slip from Transcend.

What makes you sr zyf besides his BS iso?

Mimikyu continues readslist less

Except I don't. I posted one, just not in a formal format.

[Xkfyu]

Ok Mimi is town.

UNVOTE: Transcend

VOTE: Zyf

[Zyf]

Ok lol
What do you want me to do for you guys
This is towards everyone except sonia

[Zyf]

Dear mimikyu
You are biased
Xkfyu had 0 rvs votes and has shifted votes more than i have

Naturally, this won't be ending your tunnel, but just know that

[Lowell]

From the top, noting that the first half of this has been posted already (#836):

14- zyf likes page 1 wagons [+, good for him]
36- algebra calls sonia town
50- tex tries hard to be smart w/ vote on sonia [-, tryhard]
56- gerry tries, for the second time, to be cute [-, tryhard]
73- transcend metas sonia and gerry [-, coaching]
76- gerry calls out trans' "pocketing" [+]
140- lowell calls zyf and sonia town, votes blackstar
141- gerry leads w/ 3 votes (tier, blackstar, algebra)
147- zyf votes gerry, L-3
155- blackstar gets defensive about his two votes [-, panicking]
157- transcend says Lowell's townblock will have "himself and the 3 mafia on it" [-, how you know I'm town, chief?]
172- zyf newbtownslips re: N0 confusion [+, could be staged, but I'm buying this]
189- mimi earnestly answers zyf's question after mocking it [-, trying to fake a townslip here]
199- xkfyu calls gerry town, "therefore" someone on his wagon is scum [+, terrible logic, but somehow too terrible to be scum]
215- xkfyu calls out blackstar and excuses him in one breath [-, looks like coaching]
260- eager says ppl "making a big deal" over first vote [+, I sort of agree with this]
283- trans says "my best guess for the 3 (usually there's 3 scum) wolves are..." [-, realized he scumslipped in 157]
289- xkfyu spends a lot of time defending gerry [-, why?]
304- saru says he's not defending eager bc if he were, something something [-, weak defense, got caught buddying]
330s- trans loses his shit
354- saru emoticons his wagon [-, looks too casual]
406- zyf pushes wagon, says claiming is pointless [+, I like the energy here]
407- sonia lols saru wagon after zyf and xkfyu push it [-, looks like subtle shifting away from saru]
417- sonia joins wagon
420- sonia changes her mind, votes a lurker [-, obvious derailing]
430- mimi wants claim from saru
480- saru leads with 5 votes (mimi, trans, xkfyu, zyf, blackstar)
543- saru claims VT, laments cruel fate [-, overwrought]
558- mimi notes xkfyu's suspicious 542 [+, hadn't noticed, but true]
567- sonia derails saru wagon again [-]
605- sonia votes trans
645- xkfyu has farcical reasoning for switching from lowell to vedith [-]
664- vedith casually declares trans and zyf town [-, why?]
680s- zyf and sonia clash over nothing [-, both look stupid here]
704- zyf claims mafia [?]
716- blackstar votes, then unvotes, saying it was a test [-, wtf?]
731- blackstar says he wants to see how zyf/sonia "plays out" [-, happy to hide, not sure what the pro-town value is in this]
740- tex enters, laments the lack of cases, votes tier [-, ironically terrible "case" here, looks like low-hanging fruit]
752- saru leads with 3 votes
777- xkfyu jokes that blackstar wonders why he is always mislynched [-, scumslip. I don't recall xk having a townread on black, so why is he using the word "mislynch"]
784- xkfyu gives readlist, puts all heavy posters as town and minposters as scum [-, very opportunistic list]
830- vedith explains his lack of serious reads [-, not a fan of this meta "this is how D1 works" stuff]
836- Lowell dominates
850- sonia threatens ragequit
899- xkfyu mocks zyf for calling out a lurker for lack of townie activity [-, literally this guy's whole scumlist is lurkers. also, looks like subtle derailing of tierwagon that he claims to like. if he really thinks tier is scum, why would he be mocking someone else's reason for voting him?]
908- mimi OMGUS's zyf [+, I actually like this for reasons I don't fully understand. The boldness, maybe]
949- xkfyu happily jumps off tierwagon

Forcing myself to look each of you in the eye, then:

Townsy:

sonia

- she has contributed well, generally. And I'll admit I'm a sucker for a fake rage-quit. If it's all a hustle, good for her, you got me. My only concern here is her seeming protection of saru. If it were just "I have a strong townread on saru" I feel like she'd say that more explicitly rather than trying to derail.

mimi

- I like 558 for its content and 908 for its tone. There's a fearlessness here that feels natural.

zyf

- in spite of myself. I find it very unlikely that the tripartaite superposters of zyf/sonia/trans are all town, but in general he's a guy out there trying to make cases, which is good.

Nullish:

saru

- not much to like here. His "woe is me" 543 is bad, and the possible white knighting by sonia doesn't help. But in the past few pages I've been a bit happier with his content.

algebra

- no comment.

vedith

- ditto.

tier

- MIA, but fine, I guess, save for some guilt by association with xkfyu.

gerry

- very torn on this guy. Gun to my head I'm leaning newbtown here.

Bads:

fos blackstar

- utterly forgettable in a scummy way. His only "scumhunting" of late has been to jump on my earlier claim that trans scumslipped and ask faux-innocent questions about it without taking ownership. 932 is bad, in particular: "do we know if there are werewolves" is a statement designed to look like a townslip. And I do not understand 716 or 731 at all. In any way.

fos Xkfyu

- nothing to like here. My only reservation (seriously) is that he's verging on "too scummy to be scum." Detailed above. His readlist is an opportunistic sham, he scumslipped in his defense of blackstar, derailed his own tier wagon without explanation. If he's scum, tier probably is too.

fos Transcend

- I still think 157 and 283 are, combined, a scumslip. The way he casually calls me town (for no reason as far as I could see), then pivots from "mafia" to "wolves" in the oh-so-innocent 283 setup speculation. This is a put-on. I know he's an action scum player, which fits.

fos texcat

- lurkerscum. 740 is upsettingly bad. He mocks everyone's terrible cases only to reach back for a lurker and a case based on one post, 600 posts prior. I see an outside chance of a tex/xkfyu/tier pairing here, with xkfyu casting a vote for and then heavy-handedly derailing tier's wagon and tex trying to make sure he doesn't do the same thing.

VOTE: xkfyu

Now, then, I'm caught up. Ask me anything, right now before I fall behind again.

[Xkfyu]

There is no way I'm reading that.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

It's worth the read honestly

[Xkfyu]

I'll take your word for it.

[Mimikyu]

Dear mimikyu
You are biased
Xkfyu had 0 rvs votes and has shifted votes more than i have

Naturally, this won't be ending your tunnel, but just know that

Well you'll notice Xkfyu isn't in my town-pile. But your lynch is more pressing I think.

Also Lowell is town. That post was thread MVP.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I don't think you should townread that at all because that's very easy to make I don't think it's AI look at the reads themselves

[Mimikyu]

I don't think you should townread that at all because that's very easy to make I don't think it's AI look at the reads themselves

I did. I'm not townreading it because of the size and effort to make it. I'm townreading it because the thought processes and read all make sense to me.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

*thumbs up*

Continue

[Zyf]

Dear mimikyu
You are biased
Xkfyu had 0 rvs votes and has shifted votes more than i have

Naturally, this won't be ending your tunnel, but just know that

Well you'll notice Xkfyu isn't in my town-pile. But your lynch is more pressing I think.

Also Lowell is town. That post was thread MVP.

^^^
Lowell the legend comes in with the 3rd party unbiased view
very eye-opening on blackstar in particular

[Zyf]

Dear mimikyu
You are biased
Xkfyu had 0 rvs votes and has shifted votes more than i have

Naturally, this won't be ending your tunnel, but just know that

Well you'll notice Xkfyu isn't in my town-pile. But your lynch is more pressing I think.

Also Lowell is town. That post was thread MVP.

My lynch is more pressing because you don't like my post count

oh my oh my, how AI

[Zyf]

Agree 100% that 'let's kill all lurkers' is bad. My goal in my statement was to place pressure on the lurkers.

There are no hard lines, but tends to be relatively infrequent posting coupled with empty posts.

Well at least we can agree that empty posts count to lurking.
I haven't checked your ISO yet, who are your reads?

I don't love doing whole formal reads lists at this point necessarily, but I will say I feel like Saru, Blackstar, and Transcend are all town. Xkfyu is probably scum. On the fence on Sonia. Zyf could easily be scum. To be honest don't have a good read one way or the other at this point. Seems like one of algebra/Tiershift are scum. Obviously eagerSnake had a bad intro, but it feels like it may have just been overeager town, especially since I've liked your play since then for the most part.

oh this list
This is a terrible list wow

let me just put it like this so that people can read it better:

Town: Saru, Blackstar, Transcend
Nulltown-Snake/Vedith
Null/nullscum: Sonia
Nulllscum: Zyf, algebra, tiershift
Scum: Xkfyu

Note this is all done without voting an incredible 50% of players below their town level.
NOICE M8

I would be voting you except xkfyu is a thing

[Xkfyu]

Anyone who uses the word "noice" must be scum.

[Mimikyu]

Agree 100% that 'let's kill all lurkers' is bad. My goal in my statement was to place pressure on the lurkers.

There are no hard lines, but tends to be relatively infrequent posting coupled with empty posts.

Well at least we can agree that empty posts count to lurking.
I haven't checked your ISO yet, who are your reads?

I don't love doing whole formal reads lists at this point necessarily, but I will say I feel like Saru, Blackstar, and Transcend are all town. Xkfyu is probably scum. On the fence on Sonia. Zyf could easily be scum. To be honest don't have a good read one way or the other at this point. Seems like one of algebra/Tiershift are scum. Obviously eagerSnake had a bad intro, but it feels like it may have just been overeager town, especially since I've liked your play since then for the most part.

oh this list
This is a terrible list wow

You'd think if it was so bad you wouldn't need to ATR.

[Zyf]

Anyone who uses the word "noice" must be scum.

lol

[Zyf]

Agree 100% that 'let's kill all lurkers' is bad. My goal in my statement was to place pressure on the lurkers.

There are no hard lines, but tends to be relatively infrequent posting coupled with empty posts.

Well at least we can agree that empty posts count to lurking.
I haven't checked your ISO yet, who are your reads?

I don't love doing whole formal reads lists at this point necessarily, but I will say I feel like Saru, Blackstar, and Transcend are all town. Xkfyu is probably scum. On the fence on Sonia. Zyf could easily be scum. To be honest don't have a good read one way or the other at this point. Seems like one of algebra/Tiershift are scum. Obviously eagerSnake had a bad intro, but it feels like it may have just been overeager town, especially since I've liked your play since then for the most part.

oh this list
This is a terrible list wow

You'd think if it was so bad you wouldn't need to ATR.

atr?

[Mimikyu]

atr?

Appeal to ridicule.

[Zyf]

Mimikyu-Can you please articulate why I am scum? With more reason than "shifting votes" which is a horrible reason considering how much time I've spent in thread relative to all of you combined?