Mini 1805 [C'est fini!]

[F-oh-ex]

@F-oh-ex: if anything, SK is now explicitly deconfirmed. There was only one NK in play because we lynched the other one yesterday. SKs are always compulsive, no? So I believe it's 3v2. So this is LYLO.

Are you still proposing that mafia decided to shoot themselves during the night? Unless DGB lied, there needs to be another source of kills for night 2 to make sense.

You merely restated what I said 5 posts above but k. I don't know why Eggman doesn't get that.

[Derek12]

Eggman works in mysterious ways.

[Derek12]

Since this is LYLO, let's all massclaim in order of the Player List. Dragon, you go first.


(Actually, my gambit pretty heavily depends on my being online, so: UNVOTE: Derek. I place

Intent to Revote

after I wake up. Hooray for not thinking things through!)

If you're right about the 3v2, you know this loses us the game if you're wrong? Scum have daychat. I can't really tell if you're serious about it or not.

[Derek12]

I'll redo some ISOs, starting with Titus and Derek - they're the quickest ones to do.

You should probably do this sooner rather then later considering the gamestate.

[F-oh-ex]

I'm in the middle of wrapping my work up. I don't want to throw everything I think just yet though.

I'm worried by the amount of lurking we have at the start of this day.

[F-oh-ex]

3v2 LyLo is not impossible, I must say after having thought it through. We know from DGB's flip she lied a bit about her role - claiming 2-shot while being 3-shot. I think it's possible that she didn't claim a kill on Infinity in order to send Mafia searching for a Serial Killer, rather than to kill her at night. The flaw in this reasoning is that DGB didn't come clean about it while self-hammering.

[Eggman]

I'm in the middle of wrapping my work up. I don't want to throw everything I think just yet though.

I'm worried by the amount of lurking we have at the start of this day.

[This is probably more for Sméagol, but I wasn't immediately aware the day had started because I didn't recieve a PM.]

Eggman works in mysterious ways.

:y:
I'll try the gambit later tonight, and if it doesn't work then I'll explain it.

I agree with F-oh-ex on DGB's lies. Maybe the reason she didn't come clean before her flip was to psych out the mafia; make them think there's still an SK.

Hey Titus, where are you?

Looks like you've taken one out of my book: say you'll come back in a few, and then... don't.

[Eggman]

(Looks like the board can't handle emojis. I tried posting that post with the thumbs-up emoji instead of :y: and it crashed every time.)

[Titus]

Modding emergency and sleep. I'm here now.

[Titus]

I want to lynch Dragon I think.

Lynching group scum is the best scenario but it's like playing with fire. Miss and we certainly lose.

[Dragon of the West]

Alright so being new to mafia, I have to ask a theory question. When mafia has day talk, should we be less inclined to mass claim because they can talk about what claims to make and whose claims to call B.S. on?

[Dragon of the West]

I think it's possible that she didn't claim a kill on Infinity in order to send Mafia searching for a Serial Killer,

That doesn't make sense. If she shot infinity and there wasn't SK, scum would have had to be the ones to NK PJ and then scum would know she was lying about shooting PJ

[F-oh-ex]

Not necessarily. It's possible for two parties to target the same person for a night kill.

[Titus]

Alright so being new to mafia, I have to ask a theory question. When mafia has day talk, should we be less inclined to mass claim because they can talk about what claims to make and whose claims to call B.S. on?

Daytalk is a factor on analyzing claims, not when to do it.

Given we want scum crosskills, this is an exception to the rule of massclaim in lylo.

[Sméagol]

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Day 4 #01

Abstaining [5]:

Dragon of the West / Derek12 / F-oh-ex / Titus /

Eggman

There are 5 active players.
Absolute majority is

3

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Majority has

not

been reached.

Start of day 4
Next vote count

Spoiler: Current player list

[01] DrippingGoofball † -

town

- 3-Shot Vigilante - lynched day 3

[02] Shiro † -

town

- vanilla - killed night 3

[03] NJAC † -

town

- vanilla - lynched day 2

[04] Robbnva † -

town

- role cop neighbour - killed night 1

[05] Dwlee99 † -

town

- vanilla - killed night 1

[06] petroleumjelly † -

town

- vanilla - killed night 2

[07]

Dragon of the West

[08]

Derek12

[09] Infinity 324 † -

mafia

- vanilla - killed night 2

[10]

F-oh-ex

[11]

Eggman

[12]

Titus

[13] crazycrabman † -

town

- vanilla - lynched day 1

Spoiler: Days & nights

Day 1

Night 1

Day 2

Night 2

Day 3

Night 3

Day 4

Deadline is

28-08-2016 00:00:00 CEST

((expired on 2016-08-28 00:00:00)).

[Sméagol]

[This is probably more for Sméagol, but I wasn't immediately aware the day had started because I didn't recieve a PM.]

I actually don't make a habit of sending out notifications like that (I believe I mentioned this in the first notification actually) but since activity was low, I made 2 exceptions. I think we're now left with active players, and everyone has posted, so I didn't think it was necessary. We can discuss postgame if you want notifications all the time.

[Eggman]

[Thank you for clarifying!]
Alright, Titus, let's agree to disagree. I think that we could theoretically pull off a massclaim if

we can organize it so that everyone claims within two or three minutes. That way, the mafiosos won't have time to fabricate claims.

With that idea stated, for the record, let's do something different. Why don't we all FoS our top two scumreads, and depending on Town's common consensus we can go from there?

[F-oh-ex]

There's no way we can get a post from everyone within 3 minutes. It's forum, not chat.

[F-oh-ex]

Is everyone afraid to talk?

[Dragon of the West]

How do you feel about Derek's slot?

[Dragon of the West]

I think I'm doing a 180 on my read of him. I townread him really heavily for a while, but after Shiro flipped town and rereading Infinity's ISO I think he may be scum.
Infinity seemed to have him as a top scumread for a while despite not having a ton of reasons laid out. Then, while having Derek as top scumread, says he wants to lynch MM4. Then continues to have a scumread on Derek while still not saying much more than "he's playing from the sidelines". It just felt like failed bussing and a weird read for infinity to have for what was happening in the rest of the game

[Dragon of the West]

dragon, mario, eggman, titus, petroleum (for SK), derek, f-oh-ex, DGB, creature

You moved up because I looked over gunslingers again and I saw you were playing similarly. I would like to see more from you though that's not tunneling on creature.

Okay so I've reread some more and this is around where he changes his read on Derek. I don't feel like scum infinity would go over old games of Derek's to find a reason to change his read which leads me to believe Derek could point him to that game as a game to reference during day talk in the PT

[Dragon of the West]

I feel like the more I read the more I give in to confirmation bias, but whatever.
This is him having a problem with Derek's tunneling while having Derek somewhere in the middle of his reads list.

I have a problem with him tunneling creature since it fits the pattern of a scum tunnel more than a town tunnel. Why so eager to defend him? Why wouldn't I have a problem with someone tunneling my top townread?

Then this post just irks me...a lot

Town tunneling usually involves yelling at people for not seeing someone is scum, scum tunnel is usually to avoid discussion about other stuff. Thorough derek talked a little bit about other stuff...

[Eggman]

Alright.
VOTE: Derek
I'll sheep anyone who has a good case. Going with Dragon for now, since I was also sorta scumreading Derek.

[F-oh-ex]

I'll post my full ISO of Derek later. From my POV, however, it's very likely he's scum and seeing how we're at LyLo, I would like his claim. And I would like it now. If I don't see a claim in the next post Derek makes, I'm automatically lynching him.