Open 646 - Semi Nightless - Game Over (D6)

Thor665 · Post Post #1700 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2016 3:57 am

I don't get that at all - the only scummy thing I can really see there is maybe him not voting Karnos over it.
Looking at his completed scum game he explained himself a lot more, and stuck to a single position, and didn't vote very quickly.
Looking at other postings in games that may or may not exist I don't see that as a similar vibe from games he may or may not have had a scum role in.

It's not a large sample size, but that paired with a read based on a presumption isn't selling me on the case.

Thor665 · Post Post #1701 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2016 3:57 am

'non-scum role in'

Transcend · Post Post #1702 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2016 3:59 am

Alright have it your way then. I'm done trying to persuade you. Sounding like a broken record player gets old after a while.

Thor665 · Post Post #1703 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:25 am

Yeah, how utterly unreasonable and unwilling to present my thoughts I'm being.

Rosske · Post Post #1704 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:32 am

I'm town, Transcend. If the only way for you to believe that is lynching me than something is seriously ***ed up in your process. Your tunneling on me is making me tunnel right back on you, because I know how much you've enjoyed lynching town in this game. But is Transcend scum or is Transcend just stupid, that is the question.

Anyone firmly townreading Transcend is welcome to convince me to join a different wagon.

Transcend · Post Post #1705 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:50 am

Yeah dude I'm not willing to accept you as town, because you're just talking to me like you think I'm town, but you're voting me. Also you're the biggest hypocrite yet. Yes, I've tunneled no flipped scum, but did you have any part in the karnos lynch either?

Lynch this guy already.

gigabyteTroubadour · Post Post #1706 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2016 9:15 am

Rosske, thoughts on Tenshii?

Transcend · Post Post #1707 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2016 9:16 am

Giga are you at all interested in Rosske rope given my case on him and given his response to it?

gigabyteTroubadour · Post Post #1708 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2016 9:31 am

I am still hard-neutral on Rosske/Tenshii. Rosske responding doesn't really read scum to me, but I hated his vote on KTS. Still, I feel like if he were scum he'd A: give up, or B: push harder to be on the townbloc because he's in an auto-lose situation....

Tenshii has bad associatives, Rosske is oppurtunistic, but only one (or even neither!!) can be scum.

gigabyteTroubadour · Post Post #1709 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2016 9:31 am

would scum!rosske push for PC after KTS

Transcend · Post Post #1710 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2016 10:29 am

In post 1709, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:would scum!rosske push for PC after KTS

my answer is yes.

gigabyteTroubadour · Post Post #1711 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2016 11:03 am

In post 1710, Transcend wrote:
In post 1709, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:would scum!rosske push for PC after KTS
my answer is yes.

rosske did not tho?? so
case disproven unless i forgot this game entirely lmao

gigabyteTroubadour · Post Post #1712 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2016 11:03 am

nvm <3

gigabyteTroubadour · Post Post #1713 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2016 11:03 am

still he was late on the wagon but JUMPED onto kts... so it's not =

Rosske · Post Post #1714 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2016 11:26 am

I didn't push PC at all, and I only voted him long after he was already hammered. It was irrelevant.

Also, I don't have much of a read on Tenshii, I'm too blinded by Transcend's rampant scuminess and Tenshii has been very safe and very neutral.

gigabyteTroubadour · Post Post #1715 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2016 1:12 pm

In post 1714, Rosske wrote:I didn't push PC at all, and I only voted him long after he was already hammered. It was irrelevant.

In post 1149, Rosske wrote:LEMMING LEMMING LEMMING

VOTE: PhantomColbalt

Oops did I lynch?

I think not yet.

L-1 maybe?

i thought this was from yesterday but it was from the day before.

Transcend · Post Post #1716 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2016 1:14 pm

I don't get it Rosske

You have the guts to fos me hard core.

When i return the favor, you appeal to me not to vote you?

Like?

Tenshii · Post Post #1717 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2016 5:15 pm

In post 1673, Thor665 wrote:You are distant because you don't really get involved in anything. I've said this before. You've spent most of the game wanting to lynch a lurker for lurking - that was your big push. The only times you seem to have become involved are to defend Karnos and to defend yourself.

Okay so you're defining distant as in not getting involved. How is this not getting involved? Is pushing Phantom, defending Karnos, defending self, asking questions not getting involved?

In post 1673, Thor665 wrote:People aren't responding to you because you're distant.
Are people responding to me? Yes? What magical power do I have that you lack?
Oh, and when people don't respond to me I keep asking - if you're town, it's your job to get an answer, asking once and going 'oh well' is not a valid excuse.

So because I'm being distant, people aren't responding to me. So how can people decline to respond to me in the first place if I'm asking questions aka getting involved?

In post 1673, Thor665 wrote:I agree that it is a scummy action due to the flip and not inherently.
Doesn't change that it's scummy.
Can you describe anyone else who went to the Karnos defense level that you did?

I mean sure I guess if you wanna do that go ahead. I 100% disagree with it though. By that logic, if he flipped town would you townread me? To the extent that you scumread me now?

In post 1673, Thor665 wrote:I also don't recall Luna particularly chiming in with support - if you think there's a case there feel free to present it.

I specifically remember Luna saying how she resonated with me and how she felt the whole argument between Thor+Io vs Karnos was TvT.

In post 1673, Thor665 wrote:Can you describe a case offered by anyone on the slot? I'll wait.
I'll agree I may have been the only one being honest in my reasoning, but that doesn't change the reality of the wagon.
Do you think scum didn't vote for PC?

Io brought up a post which effectively started the bw on Phantom. I nullified Giga's auto-townread on Phantom due to an RVS vote, which I assumed eventually made Giga scumread Phantom. And I don't necessarily know if scum voted PC. I'm inclined to think that though atm.

In post 1673, Thor665 wrote:And since then you've done...what exactly?

Okay sure dude, I've done nothing. Is me bringing up my thoughts on Rosske and Karnos's potential partners with reasons a bunch of nothing to you too?

Also, are you so deep in the tunnel and so sold on me being scum that you can post 1680 without even considering Rosske being scum?

Tenshii · Post Post #1718 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2016 5:17 pm

Also, is the only reason Transcend is being townread because of the reaction to the KTS post? Because in that spot, mafia KNOWS for a fact that KTS is town, so mafia should be able to fake a reaction relatively well.

I'm kinda surprised Transcend is playing this stubborn-esque and he isn't getting much flak for it.

gigabyteTroubadour · Post Post #1719 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2016 5:26 pm

In post 1718, Tenshii wrote:Also, is the only reason Transcend is being townread because of the reaction to the KTS post? Because in that spot, mafia KNOWS for a fact that KTS is town, so mafia should be able to fake a reaction relatively well.

I personally would expect scum!Transcend to make less out-there pushes (Luna's slot being the big example) and not-as-blatantly defend Krankies, but I might be mistaken... He's been about as much of a townread as you are during D1.

also i'm starting to think distant better describes my involvement in this game... ha... seriously though after D1 i can't make heads or tails of what's going on here, almost every lynch looks as viable as the other and I

hate

being neutral despite the fact i feel like i put myself in that position a lot

i should read some scumgames of transcend's if i have the time ever. also would like to hear wingback's thoughts on the game

Wingback · Post Post #1720 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2016 5:42 pm

Okay, I read up to page 10. Got gigabyte as solid town. No other strong reads yet.

@Transcend, what's your read on Thor?

Tenshii · Post Post #1721 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2016 6:34 pm

In post 1672, mhsmith0 wrote:Night kill analysis is wifomy to some degree, sure. But io, while always likely to be an NK, was not especially likely to be the FIRST NK. Thor was.

I don't see what made Thor the supposed first NK target.

gigabyteTroubadour · Post Post #1722 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2016 6:42 pm

Both were similarly townread, but Thor has experience behind him so he's a more threatening player.

I actually think Io was a better NK — Scum!Tenshii doesn't want the attention from killing the person who scumreads him most, and everyone else would probablt want Thor to push for a Tenshii ML and then NK Thor afterwards.

gigabyteTroubadour · Post Post #1723 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2016 6:42 pm

probably*

mhsmith0 · Post Post #1724 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2016 6:46 pm

In post 1721, Tenshii wrote:
In post 1672, mhsmith0 wrote:Night kill analysis is wifomy to some degree, sure. But io, while always likely to be an NK, was not especially likely to be the FIRST NK. Thor was.
I don't see what made Thor the supposed first NK target.

Everything makes him the obvious first NK target.

1) He's the best player on the board
2) He's a strong across the board town read
3) He's been active and engaged

Thor not getting killed means something. It has to. Among the ideas:

1) Thor is the goon.
2) The goon doesn't understand how to make optimal shots.
3) The goon is trying to achieve something very specific by letting Thor hang around and Io (who has been much less active) get offed first.

Again, this is a decision that we KNOW was made by the last goon. It means something. We should be thinking about what that something is (though I probably won't actually do anything useful on that front until the weekend).