Kids TV Show Characters Mafia - Endgame

[farside22]

Like, you clearly read my posts.

You clearly saw 1309

You blatantly choose to ignore addressing it because you're more concerned with trying to demonstrate that I'm "scum" than actually trying to sort my slot.

I'm sorry I can't hear you over the clear Hypocritical player you are.

I'm ignoring the rest of bro post till another day.

Ss is clearly town in my view.
I like what he just said about kdowns.

[farside22]

Can you explain this read to me because the points he made on Grib where based on 2 post out of a massive amount that has gone on.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=824
Also I'll wait 2-3 days for everyone to realize this is scum before pushing it.

Okay the cherry picking player above is scum too.

cherry picking???

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p8249987
And
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p8249999

[keyenpeydee]

GAH.

I prefer Camnsuki wagon, but I'm also fine with Waco. Screw it. Whichever wagon is going to win out is what I'll go with.

I'm fine with both being lynched. But right now, I just want to VOTE: Waco. Even though I can't see him as scum, There is a major possibility. And the fact that he's quite makes me think he just gave up on being scum.

Also, if you can give out vig kills (I know it's a longshot) or can do them, please don't use them tonight...

ignore this

That's scummy...

Disagreed.

It's not. What scummy is actually what you said. Don't dictate people. You're not even confirmed town nor acting town. Do you know what's better? Is to vig kill you. I hate to think that you're scum but I had enough of you. I have finally decided to include you on the scum list. Come on. Even if you're helpful, you're scummy.

I've been really keep on watching you.

[keyenpeydee]

Quite = Quiet or Silence.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Your case on Snarky seems to be that he didn't respond to you saying that you could read him successfully.
I don't think this is a significant case based on Snarky's lack of reading comprehension which he demonstrated quite soundly in Near Vanilla.
Do you have a rebuttal to that?

You’ve simplified the case that’s for sure. I’ll leave sorting why you did that for later.

The case on Snarky starts with 64. That post is that I feel comes from Town Snarky on page 3 of a game. You can disagree with me but I’m fairly confident in my assessment. He’s quantifying that he has preferred wagons (aka players he thinks are scum) based on 60ish posts into the game. That in itself should be a warning sign.

The second portion you mentioned above – my comment about my feel of Snarky as scum led to a back and forth with Cheet where he asked me to show my Snarky reading credentials. Snarky’s play around this I think has strong scum motivations. At that point despite me saying I thought he could be scum I had my vote on another candidate in Diamond. Scum Snarky poking at my assessment in any way ran the risk of me following through on my gut read and move to wagon him. Town Snarky on the other hand I can see saying something to the effect of “MoI you’ve always read me as Town correctly as you pointed out what is different here?”. Hell he might even get a scum read of me for it if he was Town. And yes I’ve seen your “Snarky doesn’t pay attention” comment that I disagree with. In Open 633 it certainly wasn’t a case that he wasn’t reading that got him lynched. It was that he chose to scum read Radiant and poked Radiant’s fragile ego. And in none of the other Town games I’ve had with Snarky has there ever been any sort of “Oops, I’m behind” excuse from him. He simply doesn’t address it.

The third portion is his reaction to the wagon – he immediately plays the “I’m Low Hanging Fruit” card. Again from our shared experience in Open 633 he didn’t use play that card. He stuck to his guns on scum-reading Radiant and only mentioned that he gets lynched to confirm what other players said about him.

Lastly (and this has not been explicitly explained in thread by me before) – this game he shows no signs of having actual reads. Open 633 once again highlights this – he drew a read on Radiant and pushed it. He also (incorrectly) pushed reads on yourself, Oceanwind and Bellaphant as scum. Here he’s popping in to stay active but has no drive to his posts. He’s basically actively lurking after he got early pressure.

So yes, there’s your rebuttal.

I also find it interesting that you’ve expressed as desire to get rid of non-performing slots and specifically don’t want to get rid of slots that “might improve” given that you have actively fought against Snarky as being a good lynch. Because of all the players in the game he certainly fits the definition of players who don’t carry their own weight and there is no historic expectation that it will change as days go on. Inspirational Mafia is an example – he was a Town Rolestopper who didn’t Rolestop protect a claimed Neopolitan and once the Neopolitan was Nightkilled and flipped Town didn’t Rolestop protect the confirmed Vanilla Town player the Neopolitan had cleared.

And yet Snarky isn’t anywhere to be seen on your radar. I have issues with the discontinuity in your posting and stated motivation and subsequent play.

[Transcend]

i heavily would rather lynch imperium or camntsuki over waco kid

[Transcend]

i no longer scumread kdowns btw

think the dude's town.

[Cephrir]

Can you explain this read to me because the points he made on Grib where based on 2 post out of a massive amount that has gone on.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=824
Also I'll wait 2-3 days for everyone to realize this is scum before pushing it.

Okay the cherry picking player above is scum too.

cherry picking???

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p8249987
And
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p8249999

i don't get it

can you explain it with more words

[MagnaofIllusion]

Why is claiming VT early scummy? Because it is bad.
Why is chronically buddying scummy? Because it is bad.
Why is the vacillating between "we want this pain to be over" and "you can't get me lynched" scummy? Because it is bad.

And the question that drives right at the heart of this response is – do you honestly suggest that either of the Camnt heads isn’t veteran enough to play in a not-bad manner? Bad play from players who are absolutely capable of better is a much stronger scum-tell then from Vis or Newbs.

Camntsuki certainly hasn't been breaking the door down with advanced reads and reasoning, but it's not like they are gleefully doing nothing at all, and it's not like I expect either head struggles horribly with giving reads + reasoning as scum so that in and of itself isn't a red flag for me.

I don't really see scum motivation in the early VT claim; you can say that they're appealing to AtE meta or whatever but this is well within their townrange and the obvious risk of drawing the hate of most players in the game doesn't really seem to outweigh the reward of appealing to the me/BRO/Cephrir/Fox group of players.

The buddying that they've done doesn't surprise me and is an expectation regardless of alignment. They buddy a lot.

The contradiction between "we want this pain to be over" and "you don't have the votes" also doesn't really bother me at all; in the same vein, I'm not really bothered by people who say they're giving up in thread and keep fighting. Sometimes you're annoyed with the game and you want to die, sometimes you're annoyed with a player and you talk shit to them.

And no, I don't really expect you to agree with these viewpoints,

but I think you know me well enough by now to know that I'm not following onto a lynch just because the person in question is playing antitown.

You are right – I don’t agree with you on these viewpoints.

And the bolded is interesting because in my mind that is just exactly what you are asking people do with your Waco push. Objectively Waco’s ISO is more Town than Camnt’s to my eye.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I'm ignoring the rest of bro post till another day.

Given Bro is just basically being a jackass and hiding behind the "Oh woe is me my emotions are valid where is my Safe Space" card I think this a very reasonable course of action.

[Cephrir]

And the bolded is interesting because in my mind that is just exactly what you are asking people do with your Waco push. Objectively Waco’s ISO is more Town than Camnt’s to my eye.

??? They are voting Waco because they believe he's scum and have explained why, what are you talking about.

"Objectively...to my eye" is pretty great sentence construction.

[BROseidon]

Also as if anything is objective in mafia.

[BROseidon]

I mean I guess flips and night actions are, but, like, it's day 1 so...

[farside22]

Can you explain this read to me because the points he made on Grib where based on 2 post out of a massive amount that has gone on.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=824
Also I'll wait 2-3 days for everyone to realize this is scum before pushing it.

Okay the cherry picking player above is scum too.

cherry picking???

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p8249987
And
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p8249999

i don't get it

can you explain it with more words

Pick post without reading the game to create a scum read.
What about that do you not get.

[farside22]

i heavily would rather lynch imperium or camntsuki over waco kid

unvote:

Explain to me why you think imp is scum.

[farside22]

I'm ignoring the rest of bro post till another day.

Given Bro is just basically being a jackass and hiding behind the "Oh woe is me my emotions are valid where is my Safe Space" card I think this a very reasonable course of action.

I did a pretty intense meta dive, he reminds me of Popsoftown, he says things only as scum I noted, so I'm about 99% sure but the last time I argued about how a player uses only certain words as scum it became this spam shit fest.

I was correct about my scum read on pops for the record. I would not be shocked to see my research on Bro be correct too.

I just predict another shit fest and I have no desire to get into it. I'll just work on it another day, but have these comments behind just as a reminder in case I die.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Oh where has hiplop gone? Decided that going back to lurking is harder than pretending to be Town and hoping I will not call him out again?


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He and Tammy look as good as ever, and I don't want to scumread them on just paranoia.

Well given that Tammy hasn’t made a single post this game I’ll just file this under further cross defending between Imperium and yourself.

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My point is that most of your attempts to engage with camntsuki are in reality slinging shit at them; the one fair question they answered but things like "you're making it impossible to read you!" aren't going to get a productive response from anyone 99% of the time and "your catchup gives us nothing" is not exactly the start to a beautiful mutually beneficial relationship.

You supposed distain for shit-slinging peaks my interest given that you aren’t knocking either Camnt or Bro who personify that particular brand of posting.

Can't answer this question without you telling us your show.

What is the point of this response to Firebringer given he specifically went out of his way to say “This is for the Mod” other than to look like you are interacting with the slot?

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There's some cog dis between 1358 and 1359 If your read changed why didn't you unvote right there? why did you even vote them in the first place at the end of the previous post? I have a hard time at seeing how your thought process changed your read between those 2 posts, in addition 1361 feels like a cop out =/ considering i've been having the opposite problem (too few ppl feel like obvtown)

-Luna

So you are knocking Keyen here for showing Cognitive Dissonance in voting / not properly unvoting your claimed scum read.

So what is the take-away we should be seeing – that he’s making an awkward bus and then retracted it in a way that isn’t Town? I’d like you to be explicit so if Waco flips Town you don’t shift your argument to “Keyen is scum who voted Town for bad reasons”.

Uh guys, how are we supposed to lynch scum if you keep forming counter wagons u.u

-Luna

Didn’t your slot just get done stating that counterwagons mean lots of things and very few of them automatically show the top wagon is Town?

That’s right your slot did – 1373

So it’s Town of you to push your wagon of choice using that logic but your partner was sure quick to dismiss it when it was on Camnt …

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Not all of us are sociopathic logicbots like you. So kindly shut the fuck up.

You've shown 0 empathy throughout this game.

Literally.

None.

Yup to level of unwarranted self-righteousness on display here is off the charts …

[MagnaofIllusion]

??? They are voting Waco because they believe he's scum and have explained why, what are you talking about.

"Objectively...to my eye" is pretty great sentence construction.

[Cephrir]

Can you explain this read to me because the points he made on Grib where based on 2 post out of a massive amount that has gone on.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=824
Also I'll wait 2-3 days for everyone to realize this is scum before pushing it.

Okay the cherry picking player above is scum too.

cherry picking???

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p8249987
And
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p8249999

i don't get it

can you explain it with more words

Pick post without reading the game to create a scum read.
What about that do you not get.

i don't get how your posts demonstrate he's done that

quoting 7 posts and saying these are dumb does not help me

[Cephrir]

??? They are voting Waco because they believe he's scum and have explained why, what are you talking about.

"Objectively...to my eye" is pretty great sentence construction.

great productive interaction, thanks for trying to help me see your point of view!

man, i thought you were well known for making really good cases and making a lot of sense and that's not what i'm seeing from you here at all

[Fox McCloud]

Didn’t your slot just get done stating that counterwagons mean lots of things and very few of them automatically show the top wagon is Town?

That’s right your slot did – 1373

So it’s Town of you to push your wagon of choice using that logic but your partner was sure quick to dismiss it when it was on Camnt …

...did she say anything about the wagons making waco (or anyone else) more/less likely to be scum...?

no, she didn't. she essentially said "everyone stop being bitches and unvoting waco"

[MagnaofIllusion]

great productive interaction, thanks for trying to help me see your point of view!

man, i thought you were well known for making really good cases and making a lot of sense and that's not what i'm seeing from you here at all

I'm bringing my level interaction to yours, or at least my perception of yours. Let's be franl - your modus operandi seems to be to drop into the thread and be difficult while making sarcastic comments. I don't think I'm wrong given your more or less admitted it to Grib earlier.

I appreciate you ignore the well thought out and framed case I made on Snarky in my response to Imperium above. And if you don't think I'm making sense ... well ... that's not something I can control can I?

Question to you though - why is the burden on me to be the articulate one when you clearly don't feel that burden yourself? You've several times gone "whelp, I can't really explain it but I believe X" when questioned about things.

[MagnaofIllusion]

..did she say anything about the wagons making waco (or anyone else) more/less likely to be scum...?

no, she didn't. she essentially said "everyone stop being bitches and unvoting waco"

If you want to play the semantics game again great but don't pretend your partner didn't just invoke "why are we forming counter-wagons to this scum read of mine" when you claimed that me doing the same (complaining about a forming counter-wagon to my scum read Campt) was invalid.

It's at best disingenuous.

[Cephrir]

i'm not a player who makes a lot of strong pushes early on, no. you seem like you are, though, so i figured you'd try to do it properly and get votes for what you want to do. clearly i do have opinions and a vote.

i'm not ignoring that case, i think snarky is scum so i didn't disagree with you.

i'm not the one who has strong opinions today, that's why. i'll make bigger points if and when i feel like it

[Cephrir]

at least when i disagree with someone you can usually tell why i disagree with them -- you're handwaving imperium's push and i don't understand what your reasoning is for doing so