Newbie 1730 - To The North (Game Over)

[Transcend]

Because i don't really want to

Either these guys will trust me or not. I don't really care which.

[Joushi]

How sure are you that IV is scum? Like self vote next day if you're wrong sure?

[ironstove]

even if he says yes he won't self vote instead he will fos another player lol

[Joushi]

I kinda feel like we're all waiting with bated breath to see what Enefpe says if/when they come back

[innocentvillager]

even if he says yes he won't self vote instead he will fos another player lol

Exactly.

Even if Transcend agrees to selfvote tomorrow, it doesn't mean jackshit. He's obviously not going to immediately selfvote if he's town, since that's an instant lylo-loss.

People will just end up evaluating him the same way anyway. He will explain that "I will selfvote if you guys really want me to, but it doesn't need to happen immediately".

This is the same tactic I pulled in my scumgame in Newbie 1722. I said I will selfvote if the D2 lynch was wrong, which I knew it was wrong. I counterclaimed Tracker to win the game later. Obviously Transcend might or might not claim PR after my flip, whatever; point is, it's null.

So, if Transcend says "Yes if I will self-vote if IV flips town", that does NOT give you the green light or should not give you any inkling to vote for me.

[innocentvillager]

Because i don't really want to

Either these guys will trust me or not. I don't really care which.

You're not doing a very good job of getting me lynched then LOL

[Transcend]

How sure are you that IV is scum? Like self vote next day if you're wrong sure?

No

[Transcend]

Like I said, I'm done trying. I've been trying to get this guy lynched since about page 1 no joke and I haven't given up yet. He is textbook motherfucking scum and either you guys are gonna trust me or just ignore me. You let this guy escape rope D1 and we lynched town.

[ironstove]

Like I said, I'm done trying. I've been trying to get this guy lynched since about page 1 no joke and I haven't given up yet. He is textbook motherfucking scum and either you guys are gonna trust me or just ignore me. You let this guy escape rope D1 and we lynched town.

Can you explain why he's scum? What posts make you convinced he is mafia?

[Transcend]

Again, my answer is no.

You're gonna blind trust me and lynch him.

Or you're not gonna blind trust me and not lynch him.

I don't care at this point.

[ironstove]

IV do you mind posting your updated reads on the players in the game ? Is there anyone you're town or scum reading?

[ironstove]

Again, my answer is no.

You're gonna blind trust me and lynch him.

Or you're not gonna blind trust me and not lynch him.

I don't care at this point.

What have you done thus far to deserve my trust and respect? Nothing you've said thus far has carried any merit, and you can blame it on me for being a bad player, but it's actually on you for being awful at communicating your ideas. No one here is going to be able to go into your head and understand what it is that you're thinking and in a game that is based on lying and manipulating people's trust, expecting me to blindly follow you is stupid. Can you understand why what you're saying is really stupid and why I'm not taking you seriously?

[ironstove]

Transcend, if you were in my position what would you do?

[Transcend]

Again, if I don't have your trust and respect, I don't really care. You can just let innocentvillager take a crap on you all game when I said he was scum 1 page into the game.

[Joushi]

Ok let's try a different tact. I'm really not convinced IV is scum, but if he is, he needs to have a scumbuddy. Who do you think is that person?

[Transcend]

leaning a bit towards the soula/hark/penguin slot

like i don't see joushi karnos or stove as scum at all

enefpe is a pr, he's probably going to get subbed out and we'll have more helpful inofrmation.

[Joushi]

Spoiler: IV reads post 542

My guess is we're in one of the setups with a roleblocker for mafia and scum blocked entsc action

Why? He hasn't even posted D2 yet, so what are you basing this on?

Actually I noticed some MAJOR flaw in Enefpe's previous claims and postings. If he doesn't come on and clarify shortly we should just lynch him.

I want to see this.

I just don't see scum motivation for Enefpe to lie.

Maybe someone out there wants to catch Enefpe in a bad claim to test if he's really the right PR; idk, I don't think it's worth it. Let him wifom the way through. I don't think scum knows nor needs to know Enefpe's claim.

Enefpe and ironstove are definitely my top two townreads rn. Penguin/Joushi also feel pretty town too.

Which would suggest karnos/Transcend, but that doesn't feel right either.

[Transcend]

yeah honestly iv's 542 was a load of crap

maybe if i glued a telescope to your eyes you guys could see it... maybe

[ironstove]

why is it a load of crap?

[Transcend]

just is

i'm bad at explaining myself, hence why i'm banking on you just trusting me

[Joushi]

I just can't in good conscience just blind follow a vote like that when my reads are so different.

leaning a bit towards the soula/hark/penguin slot

like i don't see joushi karnos or stove as scum at all

enefpe is a pr, he's probably going to get subbed out and we'll have more helpful inofrmation.

Let's go back here though. What has that slot done? Which player made you think the slot is scum?

Then how does their play tie to IV's play that makes you think they're buddies?

[Transcend]

Again I'm not answering questions

If your thoughts don't parallel mine, fine

But I'm not explaining myself that hard

[Joushi]

Spoiler:

I really don't know what to say to that

[ironstove]

just is

i'm bad at explaining myself, hence why i'm banking on you just trusting me

I don't like this at all. Your tone is completely different than what it was in the beginning of the game. Comparing your posts now to pages 1-6, you went through in more detail than now on why you were acting the way you were.

Your initial scumread of IV is that you don't like how enefpe was townreading skold more than IV, and scum reading IV/joushi.

Going through more of your posts, you didn't provide further reasoning, you just kept tunneling IV and proceeded to not give any more details besides that initial post about how the post he made on page 2 of this thread seemed mafia.

[Joushi]

Well, while I'm on and it looks like Stove's on, what are your thoughts on Enefpe, Transcend, Penguin, and I guess me for completion's sake. You don't want to lynch IV (at least without good reason)