Newbie 1730 - To The North (Game Over)

[ironstove]

Anyway, my scum reads so far this game are:

enefpe, transcend

town reads are:

joushi, innocent villager, penguin

still not sure about karnos. doing another read of this thread, karnos' has a really scummy entrance, but he slowly gives more town reads as the game progresses.

[Transcend]

I don't careeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee what you think of meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[ironstove]

Joushi, when you are making those number URL posts, are you adding the links in manually by typing the number and copying the link to the post or is there a faster way to do this?

[Transcend]

town reads are:

joushi, innocent villager, penguin

when the latter two people in this list are seen laughing their asses off in a private topic on this site postgame will you sheep me in future games?

[Joushi]

Joushi, when you are making those number URL posts, are you adding the links in manually by typing the number and copying the link to the post or is there a faster way to do this?

I'll use a lot of them in a moment as I finish my next post but the last tag is

Code: Select all

[post]1[/post]

will come out as 1

[Joushi]

God I couldn't imagine manually doing all that

[ironstove]

town reads are:

joushi, innocent villager, penguin

when the latter two people in this list are seen laughing their asses off in a private topic on this site postgame will you sheep me in future games?

No, not at all because you're not trying in the least to convince me you're town, if not this game then at some point if i keep lynching you you'll eventually land scum and i'll be right.

[Xalxe]

Vote Count 2.3

You win some, you lose some, you lie, cheat, and swindle some, you vanish on a crisp winter’s day, never to be seen again.

Enefpe no Time (2)

: Joushi, karnos

innocentvillager (1)

: Transcend

Not Voting

: ironstove, PenguinPower, innocentvillager, Enefpe no Time

Deadline

: (expired on 2016-08-31 08:18:23)

Enefpe no Time has 24 hours to make a game-advancing post or be replaced.

[Joushi]

Also since I'm on, not tired, and kinda bored since Overwatch competitive is down, gonna see if I can find some useful information in Skold's ISO. This will be a long post.

Most of what I'm getting seem to be that we don't and can't know anything at all on D1. Curious what he would be like on D2.

Spoiler: You Know Nothing John Snow

29, 34, 72! 79! 101! 258, 415, 475

Wow that's some pretty serious repetition

Skold also seemed to put the most pressure on the following people yesterday, in order.

Hark (Penguin)
Enefpe
Transcend

Spoiler: Hark/Penguin

A lot of the pressure against Hark comes towards the end of the day when the two begin antagonizing each other. 464 leads into 467 where the vote comes. Fighting continues into 476 before finally voting for Fiddler and hopping on that errant wagon.

Normally 469 would imply to me that Hark and Skold are opposite alignments, but all of Skold's "we can't know who we're lynching, might as well be random D1" combined with 487 where he justifies his tunnel as it's the only other lynch he sees as "realistic" D1 which honestly assuages most of my fears here.

Spoiler: Enefpe

Starting in 65, Skold's vote on Enefpe lasted for 8 days before switching to Transcend in 387.
Started initially due to Enefpe's TR on Skold, and justifies it in 79 initially as "a gutread which stands head and shoulders above the rest of the bad vibes." Continues in 115 without significant justification.

Real justification shows up once again in 260 and 266, as some of the contradictory things that Enefpe says in 248. Not sure if it's relevant but 272 is at least entertaining

313 314 416 452 all come off as a little weird, especially contrasting 415 with 465

I'll leave the reaction tests and baits to you people, at least for this game.

I don't announce that anymore. For bait related reasons.

Spoiler: Transcend

First vote here starts in 387 for "stupidity" and "anti-town"-ness (really ringing a bell for me right now). Switches back to Enefpe in 452. Honestly not much to look into here imo

Some minor pressure on some of the weird things Stove said in 104

People Skold put minimal/no pressure on and did not vote for beyond telling us we can't know anything: Me, Karnos, IV

Assuming scum killed the people who were targeting them most, as they often do, I'm thinking that Enefpe and Hark-turned-Penguin are our two biggest suspects today. I don't think it would be surprising to people if I don't change my vote?

[innocentvillager]

meh

VOTE: karnos

Only one I'm not kind of townreading. I think this is today's lynch.

[innocentvillager]

At least one of my minor townreads in Joushi/Transcend/Penguin is wrong, but I still think karnos is the most likely scum at this point.

@Transcend, I know you're not one to explain reads, but if you can elaborate or requote previous stuff you might've said about karnos-town case that'd be swell.

[Xalxe]

Enefpe no Time

is being replaced.

[innocentvillager]

@Enefpe's replacement (If I'm not here) DO NOT CLAIM (especially if you are Diagonal PR, but also if you're protective).

[Joushi]

Exciting activity levels guys. It's easy for scum to hide in a lack of activity "it's not lurking if everybody is doing it!"

Alright so just saying, Enefpe's replacement is gonna have to make a monumental defense to dig themselves out of the hole their predecessor left them. Honestly the disappearance over night as mafia is a strat that's pretty common on a different site I've played on. "It doesn't matter if I was there for the win as long as the slot wins"

At the same time, how does Skold's death implicate Karnos? Who is Karnos' supposed partner?

[karnos]

Okay, well I wanted to wait and see Enefpe's claim, but it looks like he is getting replaced and IV is making annoying noise again.

The whole issue I have had with his "partial claim" is that there is a very good chance the partial claim is actually a full claim for scum. By claiming we are in "setup C", if scum have a roleblocker they know exactly what setup we are in and what Enefpe's role is. If scum don't have a roleblocker, they know it's much more likely that Enefpe is a tracker.

Either way, his stupid "almost claim" is giving a lot of information to scum already, they probably know his exact role and setup, while it just confuses town. Of course if he is scum then that wouldn't be a concern, and I find it interesting that VI is opposed to a claim, as if he was scum he probably already knows Enefpe's exact role- either because of setup knowledge, or because Enefpe is actually his scumbuddy.

I'd be okay with a VI lynch today given his last post, but I really want to see what the new Enefpe has to say.

[Joushi]

The only person (people?) who could corroborate or deny his story also would be other PRs. As scum it's a good way to get them to claim/softclaim, especially in a newbie game. Easy way to paint targets

[innocentvillager]

Enefpe is obvtown. I don't think he needs to claim, and you really haven't given a good reason why he should. I wouldn't take the "setup C" thing too seriously lmao, there's literally no way PR or scum could actually know that. It doesn't necessarily mean he's claiming bp or tracker either.

If I knew Enefpe's exact role as scum, don't you think I would just kill him?? As opposed to letting him live even if he got down to a claim today?

It's not a full claim for scum, unless there is an RB and you really believe his PR claim. If scum has no RB, how does that mean he's tracker? Even if you believe his claim is BP or tracker, that doesn't mean he's more likely to be one or the other.

See, if it was a full claim for scum then yes I'd say just claim to us. But there's still a 2/3 chance there is no RB. EnT will just get killed after this anyway, so I don't see the necessity to claim now.

I think at least one of the people trying to get Enefpe to claim is scum and at least one is... Trying to get Enefpe to claim wrong. But this is silly. I don't think we should make obvtown claim.

[ironstove]

Well if there is a rb there is a chance maf kept him alive because they knew they could RB him and target someone else in the hopes of hitting a PR rather than using a kill on someone they know they could block anyway.

If mafia have roleblock it makes more sense why enefpe is still alive.

[ironstove]

With that said, if we are in the setup with roleblock, we're in row 2 so we have a cop/doc however outting cop at this point if enefpe is doc is quite useless as well because we know that they will rb doc and kill cop, so unless cop has a guilty on someone, I don't think he needs to out yet but I do think D3 if cop is still alive he needs to out with his reports so we at least know who is clear.

[ironstove]

@Enefpe's replacement (If I'm not here) DO NOT CLAIM (especially if you are Diagonal PR, but also if you're protective).

Can you explain why not outing his PR claim is +EV for town? I agree with karnos' assessment that mafia most likely already know what the PR is, and hiding his PR at this point is more harmful to town than anything else.

[ironstove]

Also IV, another question why does it matter if he's a diagonal ? I'm missing the significance of this detail.

[PenguinPower]

Assuming scum killed the people who were targeting them most, as they often do, I'm thinking that Enefpe and Hark-turned-Penguin are our two biggest suspects today. I don't think it would be surprising to people if I don't change my vote?

So, your entire argument here relies on scum killing those that targeted them the most (wouldn't that be OMGUS?...incorrect usage?), which conveniently gives an out for stove, you, karnos, and IV. In the case where scum did not kill those that targeted them the most, what are your reads looking like? Because D1, with little to no information, a townie tunneling someone shouldn't give cause for concern.

Only one I'm not kind of townreading. I think this is today's lynch.

Possible. I'm curious as to his response now that enefpe is replacing out.

if you are Diagonal PR,

What does this mean?

Exciting activity levels guys. It's easy for scum to hide in a lack of activity "it's not lurking if everybody is doing it!"

I'm usually pretty inactive on weekends...real life and all that.

Karnos post 589:

Spoiler:

Okay, well I wanted to wait and see Enefpe's claim, but it looks like he is getting replaced and IV is making annoying noise again.

The whole issue I have had with his "partial claim" is that there is a very good chance the partial claim is actually a full claim for scum. By claiming we are in "setup C", if scum have a roleblocker they know exactly what setup we are in and what Enefpe's role is. If scum don't have a roleblocker, they know it's much more likely that Enefpe is a tracker.

Either way, his stupid "almost claim" is giving a lot of information to scum already, they probably know his exact role and setup, while it just confuses town. Of course if he is scum then that wouldn't be a concern, and I find it interesting that VI is opposed to a claim, as if he was scum he probably already knows Enefpe's exact role- either because of setup knowledge, or because Enefpe is actually his scumbuddy.

I'd be okay with a VI lynch today given his last post, but I really want to see what the new Enefpe has to say.

So, I get what you're saying, but how is that a major flaw and how does that point to Enefpe being scum? IV's post 591 makes more sense than what you have said, tbh.

[karnos]

So, I get what you're saying, but how is that a major flaw and how does that point to Enefpe being scum? IV's post 591 makes more sense than what you have said, tbh.

The point is it's bad play. The whole point of not sharing your role is to keep scum from knowing what it is. The "i'm a PR" post was bad, but could be excused because it puts scum into a situation of no wanting to try to kill because the PR could be bulletproof and missing a night kill would be bad, but then he goes and says we are in setup C which is just way too much information to give scum.

If I knew Enefpe's exact role as scum, don't you think I would just kill him?? As opposed to letting him live even if he got down to a claim today?

See, this is flawed reasoning. If you know his exact role as scum, you have a roleblocker, so you don't really risk anything by keeping him alive, you can just block him every night. Alternatively, maybe you know his role as scum because he is your scum partner.


I think it's a perfectly plausible scenario that IV & Enepfe are our two scum.

[karnos]

VOTE: innocentvillager

Switching while we wait to hear from new!Enefpe

[PenguinPower]

The point is it's bad play. The whole point of not sharing your role is to keep scum from knowing what it is. The "i'm a PR" post was bad, but could be excused because it puts scum into a situation of no wanting to try to kill because the PR could be bulletproof and missing a night kill would be bad, but then he goes and says we are in setup C which is just way too much information to give scum.

I don't disagree it was bad. But since when does "bad play" = "major flaw" that should result in lynching?