Open 646 - Semi Nightless - Game Over (D6)

[gigabyteTroubadour]

hey actually i was writing up a post explaining how i constantly wanted to vote rosske throughout the game but kept persuading myself to vote for a townie instead (KTS, Phantom)... but er

VOTE: Luna Fox

tenshii can you explain this vote

VOTE: Tenshii

[gigabyteTroubadour]

seriously that's some hardcore dodgeballing there

i don't think this vote on luna was ever explained

[gigabyteTroubadour]

oh nvm, 1019 exists but it's an awful explanation sorry tenshii </3

[gigabyteTroubadour]

short list is atm:

Tenshii > Rosske > hope i get nightkilled

[mhsmith0]

The sequence around here
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=525

is pretty impressive from Rosske if he's karnos's partner. Luna votes karnos, transcend snap-votes luna, and rosske pushes transcend about it. there's nothing really there at that spot to suggest he's hard-pushing a counter-wagon to karnos, or that he's busy bussing karnos for the town credit, etc. Not hard-clearing, but it seems fairly hard to fake that there.

[mhsmith0]

There's an interaction tell that I like to use from time to time, see:

Spoiler: interactions as a tell

the basic theory

Scum have no genuine questions of their brethren, so it is difficult to appear to engage in earnest, and often they don’t even think to try, beyond light banter and distancing votes.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8210384
as a recent example (BBT/random flipped wolf, the third was kuroi, who they had ZERO interactions with despite all three of them talking quite a lot)


Moreover, this seems to work for karnos as a wolf (notably, in a game he won)

Double ISO of him + ranger (the team)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

# posts where he's talking TO ranger (his partner): 1
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p7922083
and that wasn't an interesting post, more of a shade-throwy post

# posts where ranger is talking to him: ZERO (unless I missed something)

Note that here I'm counting interactions as talking TO someone (clear response to a post, asking/answering a question, etc) as opposed to talking ABOUT someone.

So here's my loose count of interactions to/from karnos:

Spoiler: interactions

Still Alive
Trans 388
Thor 149 183 192 195 202 207 210 272 285 290 379 380 390 391 392 etc
smith 231 286
giga 46 49 51 70 72 150 181 186 203 204 208 209 212 213 214 etc
Tenshii 85 384 386
Rosske 399 404 432
Luna 108 142 143 184 187 188 193 194 197 199 200 230 481

Dead
Io a whole bunch
KTS 387 506
PC 198

So at this point that's pretty clearing for thor, giga and luna
(here's a newbie with a thor-dewy team, http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go, they talk in 51, 58, 91, 130, 146, 336, and much of it was empty interactions - which compares to Thor's large amount of interactions with LQ, and more substantive interactions w a bunch of other slots too, most notably frog and Zyf)

[Transcend]

cool i agree the 3 of them are town

lynch rosske lol

[Transcend]

hey actually i was writing up a post explaining how i constantly wanted to vote rosske throughout the game but kept persuading myself to vote for a townie instead (KTS, Phantom)... but er

VOTE: Luna Fox

tenshii can you explain this vote

VOTE: Tenshii

BAD

BAD

BAD

BAD

BAD

[gigabyteTroubadour]

transcend

u spent the entire game trying to get an obvtown slot lynched... don't talk to me about bad....

[gigabyteTroubadour]

also mhsmith's posts make me feel better about my tenshii vote :/

[Transcend]

lunaw as notobvtown until they did that replace out.

so f*** off and don't discredit my reads.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

tbf rosske has misrepped events in the game twice that i'm not sure what to think of it

It's usually a town thing to do that, right? But at the same time, he completely misrepresented Transcend to justify his push on him.

I'm really sorry I'm being kind of lazy this game, the other game I'm in is pretty much taking up all of my mental energy (in a positive way)! Not really sure if I'm crazy enough about what's going on here to really delve into it hard afterwards but I'm not planning on stretching myself out anymore.

[Transcend]

I just hope you understand why I'm so pissed when not one single lynch I've wanted has gained more than half the amount of votes needed to be lynched. Makes me feel kinda ~useless~.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

nah i feel you it's just

i've never felt so clueless about a mafia game... in face-to-face games i'm usually the one pulling the game's weight as either alignment, and even in my newbie where i never once voted scum i thought i knew what i was doing. here i was so sure about krankles, but now that he's gone it just feels like there isn't even scum hiding among us.

[Transcend]

i just can't see myself wanting to ever lynch tenshii over rosske like ever

or tenshiiever

[tojam2]

VC Day 4 - 6

Transcend L-3 - Rosske
Rosske L-3 - Transcend
Tenshii L-2 - Thor665, gigabyteTroubadour
Thor665 L-3 - Tenshii

(expired on 2016-08-29 09:30:00)

[gigabyteTroubadour]

we're getting daily votecounts!

[Transcend]

[gigabyteTroubadour]

transcend mafia game; mini 1796

if anyone is paranoid of transcend btw, that's there ^

it's probably tenshii or rosske but that's there ^

[Transcend]

dun dun dun

[gigabyteTroubadour]

dun dun dun

so far scum!transcend's reads feel pretty safe/normal but i'm still early in the game

no crazy moon logic there

[Transcend]

LMFAO

Have fun reading that game

[gigabyteTroubadour]

scum!Transcend is very aggressive about defending his townreads, notably. i'm at page 17 atm, still early game but i'm trucking through.

look at this post from that game, it's like he knew shotty was town all along... idk maybe it's because i know who scum are but still, i haven't seen him put this much argumentative fire into defending tenshii. most of his focus is on pushing Rosske.

the point is though i don't really think tenshii is shotty here.... that might change as i read but still

also the reason i'm doing this is to mostly reaffirm that the townbloc isn't shit... because i don't see the issue of powertownlynching Rosske/Tenshii/someone else if we can be sure that {Thor, Wingback, Giga, and one of transcend/mhsmith} are entirely town... the original townbloc had transcend in it but mhsmith has brought more to the game at least (luv u transcend :C </3) so i don't know. i have to see how mhsmith plays as scum later

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I'm not very good at meta-ing people by reading their games if that's not clear. There isn't that much of a translation from face-to-face mafia to forum mafia, the closest thing there is to it is personally knowing the other players, which you can't do by reading about them.

[Transcend]

like i said, you can't meta me

i play identical games as both alignments.

i defend my townreads to the death as both alignments, because it betters my win.